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To: Ken H; DiogenesLamp; Beagle8U; exDemMom; All

As it should, but there was absolutely nothing about fatalities in the article. You ignored it and went on that tangent, without any facts regarding intersecting data sets.

If you are a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail.

If your mind is set that everything in the world relates / caused only by drug laws, regulations or absence of them, then you will try to prove it no matter whether there is a causation in the data set or you have to create one out the blue.

Just like some people find that everything revolves around "inequity," "racism," "social [in]justice" or some conspiracy theory and will find the "facts" that "prove" it in any unrelated or only tangentially related study.

Trying to reduce everything to a single factor is bad enough, but using it to statistically or logically prove causation when it's not even a part of the data set is ridiculous.

For example, much safer cars, better highways, car-pooling, drive for re-urbanization with higher utilization of public transportation in major cities (reducing, limiting / one-way, or banning passenger car traffic in certain areas) would have a reasonably high degree of correlation with whether the outcome of accident was fatal or not, and can be statistically verified, though fatalities were not a part the above report.

You've had similar idée fixe before, attempting to "prove" correlation / causation of crime statistics in California relative to assumption of "loosened marijuana laws" when there was no causation and when other "non-loosened" states showed similar or better crime reduction statistics :

Cannabis really can trigger paranoia - FR, posts #64, #68, #71, 2014 July 21

20 posted on 02/12/2015 5:12:46 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
You've had similar idée fixe before, attempting to "prove" correlation / causation of crime statistics in California relative to assumption of "loosened marijuana laws" when there was no causation and when other "non-loosened" states showed similar or better crime reduction statistics : Cannabis really can trigger paranoia - FR, posts #64, #68, #71, 2014 July 21

You distorted my posts on that thread and you continue to do so now. You failed to mention #65, which puts lie to everything you just claimed. I bolded the times I made the point that causation does not equal correlation.

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To: CutePuppy

If you accept the premise that marijuana laws have loosened significantly since the mid-1990s, and if you accept the crime figures at the link, then there indeed has been a positive correlation between the two since the mid-1990s. However, you cannot say there is a causal relationship based on such a correlation. Agree with both statements?

To say two things are correlated is not to say that one or the other variable is causal =>

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"Correlation does not imply causation is a phrase in science and statistics that emphasizes that a correlation between two variables does not necessarily imply that one causes the other."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

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CutePuppy: How about illegal immigration and crime rate? There has been unarguably more illegal immigration while the crime rate ostensibly dropped. Conclusions?

Same as with the pot laws => 1. There's been a positive correlation between the two since the mid-1990s. 2. You cannot say there is a causal relationship. 3. Further investigation is needed to draw any conlusions.

Do you agree?

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Now, I'll be glad to discuss other points you raised, such as causes of falling crime and what drug policy should be. But first, I want to get cleared up what should be a simple point => When I say there a correlation, I am not making the case for causation. I am making a case against the claim legalizing pot would cause crime to rise significantly. With CA's violent crime rate falling by half since 1996, it seems a highly dubious proposition.

65 posted on Tue Jul 22 2014 00:44:03 GMT-0400 (EDT) by Ken H

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So was it an oversight, or was it a deliberate act of deceit on your part to omit it? 

22 posted on 02/12/2015 6:32:41 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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