So we both agree that we need to take a tougher stand against Russia to save Ukraine from being enslaved.
Your posts are a little confusing.
Yes, I must agree to that. Because at this point I'm not 100% sure of Putin's motives. If Putin really is acting defensively (not likely), and we guess wrong, a Sarajevo incident could follow.
As someone of Eastern European extraction, I am very sensitive to Russian aggression. I have heard the stories from my grandparents. Interestingly enough, they held more animosity towards the Russians than towards the Germans.
Anyway, old Eastern European joke: A Russian and a German are both advancing towards you. Who do you shoot first?
Answer: The Russian. Business before pleasure.
Ukraine won't be enslaved. Galicia and possibly Volhynia will join the EU, either as "Ukraine" or part of Poland, the Donets basin and the Black Sea coast will join Russia (voluntarily), and nobody can say where Kiev and it's hinterlands will wind up.