Posted on 02/07/2015 8:19:25 PM PST by Reverend Saltine
The bodies of Liao and his co-pilot were retrieved from the almost-new turboprop ATR 72-600's cockpit still clutching the joystick, with their legs badly broken, investigators said.
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taiwan-crashTAIPEI: The pilot of the crashed TransAsia plane was still clutching the joystick when his body was found in the cockpit, after he battled to avoid populated areas, reports said Friday as the airline faced sanctions over its second fatal accident.
The TransAsia Airways ATR 72-600 crashed shortly after take-off from Songshan airport in Taipei on Wednesday, hitting an elevated road as it banked steeply away from buildings and into the Keelung River.
Pilot Liao Chien-tsung, 41, was among at least 35 people who lost their lives in the accident. Fifteen people survived and rescuers are still searching the river and submerged wreckage for another eight who remain missing.
Liao has been hailed as a hero for apparently making a last-ditch attempt to steer the turboprop plane, with 53 passengers and five crew on board, away from built-up areas during its steep descent, avoiding more deaths and damage.
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Unless they got behind the minimum controllable airspeed, critical engine out.
It may have a service ceiling of 11,000MSL on one engine, but that's not on takeoff, and possibly at max gross weight.
You are the one that posted an Airbus pic.
Probably a language difference thing. The pilot's name was Capt. Yu and what they originally said was "the yokes on Yu".
(j.k.)
I also posted an ATR72-600 pic.
The confusion is from the news article, which is written as if this plane has joysticks, when it doesn’t.
Just to be clear, the plane that crashed was not an Airbus, and it had Yokes, not joysticks.
That aircraft has had some really questionable hull loss accidents. Trans Asia lost one last June nearly identical to the ATR-72-600 that crashed this week.. The pilot was on final approach in IFR conditions and ended up flying it into the ground short of the runway. The last sounds on the CVR is that of the port propeller clipping treetops.
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OK, I just dislike Airbus.
Yeah... as long as it's in flight to begin with.
Having it happen right after takeoff while you are climbing and banking is about the worst time to have it happen, and the least likely you can recover. The higher you are before the engine failure, the better your chances.
A plane, flat and level flight, will start dropping if you bank (turn) it. When you do it at low speed(due to engine loss) and climbing as well.... you are screwed. The pilot knew. I would say that it is amazing he managed to ditch it in the water and avoided hitting anyone on the way down. That's my opinion, anyway.
A powered aircraft that loses power is a glider. Fly it like a glider and you have a chance at making a landing you can walk away from.
Remember US Airways flight 1549 that landed in the Hudson River?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549
How about the Gimli Glider incident?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
How about Air Transat flight 236 that glided for close to 100 miles and landed at an airport in the Azores?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236
In all three cases these aircraft lost complete power and still landed safely.
From what has been posted by the mass media of this crash and other Asian civilian air transport planes Asians don’t know how to fly their aircraft without computers.
That depends on the weight load, the air temperature, and when the failure occurs.
If you take off (climb) and you turn (bank) and one engine fails, you can be in a non-recoverable position. It depends a lot on which engine. The laws of physics and aerodynamics rule over certifications.
That video reminds me of Air France flight 447 in which the pilots kept pulling back on the joystick and ended up stalling the aircraft right into the ocean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
I see that as another case of them not knowing how to fly their aircraft without a computer helping them.
None of those were stalled.
None of those were T-tails, known for deep stalls.
T-Tails! Thank You for that walk down white knuckled lane!
The planes might, but do the pilots have to deal with tricky climbout patterns in airports in that country ?
What I am saying is that the certification is based on some set parameters. You can put the plane in a position where it cannot recover quickly enough to gain enough airspeed to keep flying.
The key with a prop is to get the dead engine’s prop to feather, otherwise it’s a lot of drag.
One engine out on takeoff is probably the most trained for and practiced problem.
Pilot, meet SID. Where real estate values are an existential threat to public safety.
I got my multi rating years ago in a 55 Piper Apache. It was a marginal airplane at best. The Aztec replaced the Apache.
A book by a P-38 pilot talked about losing an engine. He said the remaining engine would carry you to the scene of the crash.
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