To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
What I don’t get is, why would people even want to leave Ukraine and fight WITH Russia? Even Russian ethnic people should realize that Putin is going to lead them down the drain, like most autocrats do. In that part of Georgia that Putin seized a few years ago, I strongly doubt everybody wakes up every day glad that they parted from Georgia, and relieved to be under Putin’s thumb.
3 posted on
02/07/2015 12:26:54 PM PST by
married21
( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
To: married21
We need to join with Russia, not oppose them. Look who we are both up against, China and Islam.
To: married21
Some people are exciting Ukraine because roads are under fire, then traveling south to re-enter Ukraine to stay with relatives. The Crimeans that went to Russa were transported to Siberia
To: married21
What I dont get is, why would people even want to leave Ukraine and fight WITH Russia?Russia is no bed of roses, but Ukraine is a basket case on the verge of economic and demographic collapse. Its near term viability is uncertain. As in all wars, the ordinary people are mere pawns.
To: married21
This narrative is much longer Brief summary: The history is this: Yanukovych's inauguration on 20 February 2010, the legitimacy of the election was questioned by many Ukrainians, international organizations, and foreign governments with allegations of electoral fraud. [Supreme Court later found election corrupted in East Ukraine] Last Nov, the was a peaceful protest [Maidan, Kiev] because Yanukovych went back on his word to allow Ukraine to have an associated relationship with EU. When he discovered in Feb 2014 that he would be charged with "Crimes against humanity" in the Hague, he escaped in the night to Moscow. The Ukrainians then replaced him with an acting President. They discovered multiple documents that had been attempted to first be destroyed by fire then could in the man-made lake. These documents are still being studied, but it had been determined that Putin had been infiltrating & corrupting government, military, and police. Putin also had planing invasion of Ukraine. Yanukovych had became VERY wealthy using off shore accounts as well as stashing gold. [See: http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/24/ukraine-president-viktor-yanukovych-palace-video] Also, had zoo, casino in 'pirate ship' on man-made lake] with He tried to bribe (carried $60 million) his way our of he country for his escape at the airport but was denied. [Eventually, I understand he used a helicopter.] However, the problem remains of removing these corrupt communist plants from their positions. [Parliament election occured last Fall.] Those without internet in East Ukraine were subject to 24/7 media propaganda from Russia. Yet, the farmers & miners strongly support a united Ukraine. Others support, but it is like being a Republican in NYC or Detroit... quietly!) Now, however, this is radically changing as people are experiencing the truth. EXAMPLE: Last March, Residents of Donetsk region appealed to the Acting President of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov asking to protect them from the separatists and bring the situation in the region under its control. This is stated in an open letter, published Donetsk media. "We, the residents of Donetsk region, deeply concerned about the situation created by the activities of criminal organizations in the anti-Ukrainian Donetsk and region. Since the beginning of March this year, in the center of Donetsk regularly continue to aggressively minded people gather under the flag of the Russian Federation, who cynically and with impunity, to the eyes of the inhabitants of the city, committing criminal acts: openly call for separatism, seize administrative buildings, beaten and humiliated residents claiming pro-Ukrainian position, openly mock the state symbols of Ukraine, block the message and work of public transport, ports and destroying property, which shows or installed Ukrainian symbols"- the statement says. The letter reminded that many people in the region affected, and at least one person was killed and open support for the integrity of Ukraine at a meeting March 13, 2014." Over the last month have been repeatedly attacked by members interfaith prayer marathon within the "Pray for Ukraїnu" for wearing a Ukrainian flag were beaten by pro-Ukrainian activists, as well as members of the bike ride in support of the integrity of Ukraine," - said the representative of the community. Bottomline: GOOD GUYS: Ukrainians that fight for the physical, moral and political integrity of their country. BAD GUYS: DNRs [self-proclaimed Donetsk Peoples Republic] and LNR [self-proclaimed Lugansk Peoples Republic] The Russian Communist saboteurs, Separatists, Drug/alcoholic city thugs paid mercenaries, the Cossack mercenaries.. BTW, Ukraine is seeking offical U. N. TERRORIST status recognition for DNR & LNR: "We also call on the international community to respond resolutely to the crimes of terrorists, increase all forms of pressure on those who sponsor and support them. Our position remains constant the so-called DNR and LNR must be recognized as terrorist organizations." http://un.mfa.gov.ua/en/press-center/news/32625-brifing-jurija-sergejeva-dlya-zhurnalistsykogo-korpusu-oon-anglmovoju
To: married21
The fighting in East Ukraine is not a civil war. Very few actual locals are fighting for Russia there. Russian side is mercenaries, Russian “jihadists” (who want to conquer Eurasia to be ruled by Russia) and sometimes their regular army. These are not reasonable people. 90% of Russians get their view of the world from TV and all the TV channels are directly controlled from Kremlin. They don’t have an adequate picture of the world.
15 posted on
02/08/2015 2:37:25 AM PST by
Krosan
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