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Obama budget proposes retirement savings cap
Benefits Pro ^ | February 2, 2015 | Nick Thornton

Posted on 02/02/2015 10:45:29 AM PST by abb

With the release of its 2016 spending blueprint Monday, the Obama White House officially signaled its intent to use retirement policy to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans.

The proposed 10-year budget, which allots $4 trillion in spending for fiscal year 2016, will attempt to cap tax-deferred saving in 401(k) and Individual Retirement Accounts at about $3.4 million.

That amount of savings generates more than $200,000 of income annually in retirement when annuitized, an income stream that should be sufficient for most, according to the Obama administration’s rationale behind the proposal.

The vast majority of Americans would never feel the cap. In 2011, only one out of every 1,000 Americans had more than $3 million in their retirement accounts, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute. That said, many in the industry oppose it, especially in light of concerns over rising interest rates.

“Politically, it is convenient to target people who have saved $3.4 million,” Klein said. “But the devil is in the details when you look at the impact on younger workers and the inevitability that interest rates will rise over the coming decades.”

The problem is that annuity prices vary with interest rates because insurance companies buy bonds to finance pay-outs. When bond yields are low, as they are now, annuities are more expensive. Right now a 10-year Treasury bond yield is just 2 percent. If it jumps to 5 percent (the rate in 2006), that $205,000 annual annuity would only cost $2.2 million. .

The cap is a relatively small gambit in the budget’s larger effort to raise revenues by increasing capital gains taxes, inheritance taxes, and taxes on foreign revenue streams of U.S. multinational companies. Related 13 things on the IRI’s regulatory agenda

A possibly overreaching fiduciary standard is just one of many items the organization will lobby on in the coming year.

The budget also purports to stimulate middle-class incomes with a series of spending initiatives and tax cuts.

New retirement regulations in the budget would also make it easier for workers to save for retirement through their employers by giving 30 million more workers access to IRAs in which they are automatically enrolled, according to a fact sheet published on the White House’s Office of Management and Budget site.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 401k; definedcontribution; ira; tax; taxes
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To: abb
The vast majority of Americans would never feel the cap.

Yet

21 posted on 02/02/2015 11:12:13 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

22 posted on 02/02/2015 11:13:44 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: abb

This is “foot in the door” stuff and needs to be stopped cold.


23 posted on 02/02/2015 11:17:18 AM PST by headstamp 2
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To: abb

Send Obama’s Budget to Venezuela they need Toilet Paper


24 posted on 02/02/2015 11:17:43 AM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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To: abb

Every law intended to “soak the rich” winds up hitting the Middle Class the worst, see the A.M.T.


25 posted on 02/02/2015 11:20:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: abb

Only Congressmen who have signed over their accumulated wealth in excess of Obama’s $3.4 million cut-off will be allowed to vote “Approved” on this measure.

Congressional “donations” will be applied to paying down the National Debt - ONLY!


26 posted on 02/02/2015 11:21:03 AM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: abb

ONLY $200K a year?? But then how can Al Gore run all over the place in his private jet? Or make the payments on his seven houses? The Emperor is gonna get a nasty visit from Fat Al!


27 posted on 02/02/2015 11:25:29 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: abb

“At some point, you’ve made enough money...”


28 posted on 02/02/2015 11:26:15 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Every driver with a "Ready For Hillary" bumper sticker had to scrape off a "Obama 12" bumper sticker)
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To: abb

O Bama, I do nuh kin yah hin me purse.


29 posted on 02/02/2015 11:30:26 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else need s said?)
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To: abb

Cap charitable contribution deductibility at 20 million lifetime, and watch the Left start screaming.


30 posted on 02/02/2015 11:33:06 AM PST by babble-on
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To: abb

How will 0bama survive without that extra income? 0bama’s 2014 Palm Springs and Key Largo golf outings alone, cost $2,952,278.


31 posted on 02/02/2015 11:39:49 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Jim Robinson

32 posted on 02/02/2015 11:41:41 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: abb
Social Security is already “means tested.”

And that's on top of the fact that Social Security payments are already disproportional to the amount paid in. If you compare two people, one who earns income at the SS cap and pays the absolute maximum SS tax throughout his career and one who earns and pays half as much, the higher earner would make 50% more in SS payments as opposed to 100% more if he was paid proportionally to his taxes paid.

Would anyone accept a savings account or investment paid non-proportionally like that? That disproportionality is either an undeserved tax on the high earner, or an unearned benefit for the lower earner.

And those are just two points. The disproportionality becomes worse as you go further down the scale.

I think it would be interesting to see at what income the benefit vs. tax curve matches the total payment ratio which would define the point where the retiree is paid his share, no more and no less.

33 posted on 02/02/2015 11:45:09 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
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To: Brown Deer
How will 0bama survive without that extra income? 0bama’s 2014 Palm Springs and Key Largo golf outings alone, cost $2,952,278.

How about an Obama Global Scam Initiative paralleling the Clinton Global Scam Initiative. World trips, fancy digs, golf vacations as charity trips just so long as you put the occasional squeeze on contributors in the 5th green.

34 posted on 02/02/2015 11:49:04 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
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To: abb

why should the little people need any more than that to live out the rest of their lives?

Now, can we the people please see Obama’s post presidency income as a “speaker” and “board member” and
“visiting professor of ruminology” capped at the same amount!!!


35 posted on 02/02/2015 11:54:08 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: KarlInOhio
How about an Obama Global Scam Initiative paralleling the Clinton Global Scam Initiative.

Is Obama smart enough to run such a scam?

Does he have the initiative to set something like that up?

Clinton ha the smarts and, being a resourceful crook, had the initiative.

Obama, the child of affirmative action, has neither. And, his usefulness at an end, his handlers won't have any otivation to do it for him, either.

36 posted on 02/02/2015 11:56:55 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: KarlInOhio

Yes. But then, income taxes are also “means tested.” The more you earn, the higher the tax rate.


37 posted on 02/02/2015 12:00:25 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: okie01
He can just golf and let Valerie Jarrett actually run it... kind of like how he handles the country now.
38 posted on 02/02/2015 12:08:03 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
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To: AU72

Some Republicans would agree to that.


39 posted on 02/02/2015 12:23:02 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: OpusatFR

Add in inflation, and, voila! justice and fairness!
Just like the alternative minimum tax, originally set at 75K when few “rich” people made 75K.


40 posted on 02/02/2015 12:26:04 PM PST by Rusty0604
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