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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles
New York Times ^ | 1/30/2015 | JACK HEALY and MICHAEL PAULSON

Posted on 02/01/2015 6:03:17 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children. In recent days, new measles cases popped up in Nebraska and Minnesota, New York and Marin County in California. Officials around the country reported rising numbers of patients who were seeking shots, as well as some pediatricians who were accepting non-vaccinated families but were debating changing their policies. The White House urged parents to listen to the science that supports inoculations...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; immigration; invasion; mexico; vaccine
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To: goldstategop

God has a desirous will and a permissive will.

Humanity is in a pickle already of having rebelled in spirit against the Lord. The Lord permitted it but He never desired it. However permitting it was the only way He could let love have a voluntary aspect and not be a robotic Kabuki dance.

The complex result of this and the Lord’s desire to redeem mankind is the reason for the sometimes baffling scenes we see.

Should people immunize. The answer is a resounding maybe.


21 posted on 02/01/2015 6:34:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

It’s simple. I have enough evidence to mistrust the government and their eugenics doctors. It’s settled. They want to do science experiments on my kids.


22 posted on 02/01/2015 6:35:13 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: goldstategop

“There is no good reason not to get one.”

Three young girls have died from the flu shot in the last 3 mos or so. They would have survived the flu. This year’s flu vaccine is only 23% effective anyway. If that.

Some vaccines are a good idea some others not necessarily.


23 posted on 02/01/2015 6:35:30 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Circumstances can militate towards the advantage of certain immunizations. A crowded city makes more immunizations make sense than a sparsely populated countryside.

Inasmuch as possible I believe immunizations should be voluntary, but quarantines are not voluntary, and people who did not immunize and thereby spread a deadly disease will have to live with that awareness.

Choose wisely.


24 posted on 02/01/2015 6:37:41 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“They would have survived the flu.”

You do not know that.


25 posted on 02/01/2015 6:38:02 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Depends on why they perished. If it was the germ, probably not. If it was an allergy to something else in the vaccine, quite possibly.

We accept medicine that is not perfect. Too much aspirin can give you bleeding ulcers but people with headaches seldom refuse it.


26 posted on 02/01/2015 6:40:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“Anti-Vaccination” crowd my ass! This outbreak is without a doubt the result of illegal immigrants who have not been immunized. Any other argument is pointless and specious.


27 posted on 02/01/2015 6:41:09 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
But as a parent with many children, some of them grown, none of them have had vaccinations. To this date, all have been perfectly healthy without Government

That has to be the most self centered, selfish, unChristian, diatribes that I have ever heard....Good grief, this is the 21st century and blood-letting has gone out of style.

28 posted on 02/01/2015 6:41:38 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: exDemMom
I have not seen that such people can be reasoned with, or that they exhibit any particular ability to understand scientific or mathematical concepts.

I expected such a response from the typical elitist government sponsored person of "higher learning". I too have have such credentials and I have found that it is an "exercise in futility" to even try discussing case after case of families who had perfectly healthy children until their 2 year vaccinations.

No one is trying to impede you from your faith in Government...so what is the problem?
29 posted on 02/01/2015 6:43:16 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: goldstategop

And the science is settled...


30 posted on 02/01/2015 6:43:17 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Three young girls have died from the flu shot in the last 3 mos or so.”

That may be accurate, but even with flu vaccinations, 30,000 Americans die of the flu each year.

Without vaccinations, the number of flu deaths would be in the hundreds of thousands.


31 posted on 02/01/2015 6:43:56 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: goldstategop

“A vaccination makes catching a disease entirely preventable.”

Not entirely true. Google it.

“There is no good reason not to get one.”

There are many good reasons - including that some vaccines do not work, like the flu vaccine for older people.

“Whether its for children or adults is equally true.”

I agree there. No universal reason for adults or kids. Don’t universally work for either.


32 posted on 02/01/2015 6:44:32 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: terycarl

Whatever... Not even worthy of response...


33 posted on 02/01/2015 6:45:17 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: demshateGod
I have enough evidence to mistrust the government and their eugenics doctors.

That.
The Government has shown that it does not have our best interests in mind.

34 posted on 02/01/2015 6:47:07 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: porter_knorr
I’d rather have the real diseases and get forever immunity anyway.

Yup, it is forever.


35 posted on 02/01/2015 6:47:17 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Oliviaforever

Who claimed that the primary vector originated in Mexico?

How may illegal aliens entered this country recently that were from south of the Mexican border?

Measles was entirely contained and controlled in this country prior to the recent deluge of illegal aliens entering from our Southern border, and that flow of illegal aliens originate from more or less every corner of the Southern countries of this hemisphere and many from outside of the Americas.


36 posted on 02/01/2015 6:47:47 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: porter_knorr
I’d rather have the real diseases

I have to assume that you never had the REAL diseases nor saw the effects of complications arising from the REAL diseases.

We, of the generation that had the real diseases, saw the birth defects caused by rubella during pregnancy, saw the wasting limbs left by polio (and the pictures of kids in iron lungs), gladly had our children vaccinated and were thankful that there were finally vaccines to eliminate these vile diseases.

37 posted on 02/01/2015 6:48:13 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: demshateGod
It’s simple. I have enough evidence to mistrust the government and their eugenics doctors. It’s settled. They want to do science experiments on my kids.

No, you don't give a damn about anyone else's kids...Fine, keep your at home and don't infect public schools, libraries, transportation, entertainment etc etc etc...PATHETIC

38 posted on 02/01/2015 6:48:36 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Oliviaforever

Correct...the more factual and circumstantial evidence that we get from baby vaccinations, the more we go to our knees in prayer first before vaccinations (of babies without mature immune systems)


39 posted on 02/01/2015 6:49:14 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Getting measles is a human right!/s


40 posted on 02/01/2015 6:50:09 PM PST by Dallas59
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