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Winston Churchill: How a flawed man became a great leader
BBC News ^ | 23rd January 2015 | John Simpson

Posted on 01/23/2015 9:37:49 AM PST by the scotsman

'On Thursday, the Magazine looked at the greatest controversies of Winston Churchill's career. Here, the BBC's world affairs editor examines how an all-too-human politician became a great wartime prime minister.'

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: winstonchurchill
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1 posted on 01/23/2015 9:37:49 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

One of my 20th Century Heroes.

I like that he drank.

I like that he was abrasive.

I like that he was politically incorrect.

He was a man of his time. Liberals can go pound sand.


2 posted on 01/23/2015 9:41:03 AM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: the scotsman
With regard to Mr. Churchill's failures...

Genius often fails big, when it fails.

Think of the Lorne Michaels' SNL sketches that didn't work, back in the early years. They didn't happen often, but when they did they were embarrassing.

Einstein said that his flirtation with the cosmological constant was the "biggest blunder" in his career.

3 posted on 01/23/2015 9:43:13 AM PST by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: the scotsman

All men are flawed. To reject a great leader merely because of flaws is to invite a Manchurian Candidate who is so scripted and polished that no one knows anything about the potential leader’s background. That sort of mistake could spell the end of a free country.


4 posted on 01/23/2015 9:43:22 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: the scotsman

All great leaders are flawed men. At least the mortal ones are.


5 posted on 01/23/2015 9:43:58 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: the scotsman

I should also have mentioned Steve Jobs and the NeXT computer.


6 posted on 01/23/2015 9:44:24 AM PST by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: the scotsman

I wonder how much of it has to do with his successfully prosecuting a war. In the US, we hold up FDR, Lincoln, and Wilson, all wartime presidents. On the other hand, the Brits did dump Churchill from office before lionizing him later.


7 posted on 01/23/2015 9:44:39 AM PST by sparklite2
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To: Pollster1

George Washington was a less than stellar British officer.


8 posted on 01/23/2015 9:45:24 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: rlmorel
I like that he drank.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly." - Sir Winston S. Churchill

A truth was spoken by a great man in the age prior to political correctness.

9 posted on 01/23/2015 9:46:39 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (#JuSuisCharlesMartel)
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The “miss” was Lady Astor, his long time nemesis.

He actually referred to her as “madam”.


10 posted on 01/23/2015 9:52:14 AM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

There was another similar set of quotes...went something like this...

“If I was your wife I’d put poison in your drink!”

“Madam, If you were my wife I’d drink it!”


11 posted on 01/23/2015 9:58:05 AM PST by Bobalu (Programming is the art of adding bugs to an empty text file)
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To: Churchillspirit
Another verbal duel, I think it was Lady Astor again:

"If you were my husband, I'd poison your wine"

Churchill "If I was your husband, I'd drink it!"

12 posted on 01/23/2015 9:59:24 AM PST by AU72
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To: rlmorel
Newt Gingrich could have been the same sort of flawed man raised up as a champion...ah, what might have been...


13 posted on 01/23/2015 10:01:35 AM PST by Bobalu (Programming is the art of adding bugs to an empty text file)
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To: the scotsman

Winnie had a lisp... but still gave the greatest speeches of the entire century from any country.

Like Demosthenes, a stuttering youngster swindled out of his inheritance, to become one of the greatest orators of all time (and damn good lawyer)


14 posted on 01/23/2015 10:02:22 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: rlmorel
He received a lot of honours before and after he passed away but I think having the prestige Champagne of Pol Roger named after him would have made him very happy.


15 posted on 01/23/2015 10:08:04 AM PST by xp38
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To: sparklite2

No, the British public always loved Churchill after WWII, even the ones that voted him out of office. They all knew that he was a great man who was the man of the hour for getting Britain through the war.

He was however a Tory, and the British public didn’t want to see the Tories in power again, they wanted a government that promised a socially democratic capitalist welfare state, rather than a continuation of the pre-war status quo.


16 posted on 01/23/2015 10:11:32 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sparklite2

“In the US, we hold up FDR, Lincoln, and Wilson, all wartime presidents”

Two out of three ain’t bad. Wilson was a disastrous president by many accounts, including mine.


17 posted on 01/23/2015 10:13:48 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: the scotsman

I stopped reading when the article said that going back on the gold standard created the Great Depression.


18 posted on 01/23/2015 10:16:29 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Bobalu

I agree. He ultimately chose being popular over being right.

Too bad.


19 posted on 01/23/2015 10:17:18 AM PST by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: americas.best.days...

Newt’s flaws were red meat to the socons, who are ultimately responsible for his never making it to the presidency.


20 posted on 01/23/2015 10:43:09 AM PST by sparklite2
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