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To: ConservingFreedom

The amount of government that would be changed is quite the debatable point and I will concede that there is the chance it will get smaller. However, knowing what I know, I highly doubt it and I suspect you do as well.

Government, in its most base form, will find a way to intertwine its tentacles into just about anything it can. Thus the reference to the treatment centers...it’s not too much of a leap in logic to presume the government will involve itself there.

When talking about “instantly addictive”...meth and heroin come to mind...

I can’t cross that bridge of legalizing drugs of that nature...just can’t do it.

The current federal laws regulating banks prevent banking institutions in Colorado from performing electronic banking transactions at their dope stores. This has created a new cottage industry of robbing those stores for their cash and dope. It’s also created another cottage industry for security companies...

What a freakin’ mess.


237 posted on 01/21/2015 4:05:00 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
Regulation is by any sensible definition smaller government than prohibition.

The amount of government that would be changed is quite the debatable point and I will concede that there is the chance it will get smaller. However, knowing what I know, I highly doubt it and I suspect you do as well.

On the contrary, the real-world example of alcohol Prohibition convinces me of it; I can see no way to argue that alcohol regulation is bigger government than was Prohibition.

Government, in its most base form, will find a way to intertwine its tentacles into just about anything it can. Thus the reference to the treatment centers...it’s not too much of a leap in logic to presume the government will involve itself there.

Is it not involved there now?

I know of no evidence that any drug is "instantly" addictive - there are addicts of many drugs, including alcohol, who swear that they were addicted from the very first use, but refusal to accept responsibility is a hallmark of the addict.

When talking about “instantly addictive”...meth and heroin come to mind...

Of all those who have used heroin, 77% never became dependent (James C. Anthony, Etiology Branch, Addiction Research Center, National Institute on Drug Abuse and Johns Hopkins University; Lynn A. Warner and Ronald C. Kessler, University of Michigan, "Comparative epidemiology of dependence on tobacco, alcohol, controlled substances, and inhalants: Basic findings from the National Comorbidity Survey," Experimental and Clinical Psychopharmacology 2:244-268).

I can’t cross that bridge of legalizing drugs of that nature...just can’t do it.

It's a theoretical exercise until we've had a good while to learn what we can from pot legalization.

I wasn't talking about the sort of regulation that's meant to bolster a prohibition.

The current federal laws regulating banks prevent banking institutions in Colorado from performing electronic banking transactions at their dope stores. This has created a new cottage industry of robbing those stores for their cash and dope. It’s also created another cottage industry for security companies...

What a freakin’ mess.

A mess created in pursuit of bolstering pot prohibition - not what I'm talking about.

240 posted on 01/22/2015 9:47:43 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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