Posted on 01/06/2015 4:43:10 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
Look at history - how has freedom ever come about?
Only Constitutional amendments can change the political direction of this country toward liberty and states’ rights (see 1787, George Mason, et al., and the Bill of Rights). If that fails, secede (see 1776).
Success there requires a nation of people who are virtuous and Judeo-Christian.
Marching with signs, lawsuits, voting, agendas, changing a corrupt party “from the inside” - has not ever, ever resulted in liberty.
I’ve been “in the fight” a hell of a lot longer than you, Sunshine.
Now mind your manners.
“The beginning of legislative competence is being able to count votes beforehand.”
That’s a simple minded crack.
The insurgents fell one vote short. And that’s while losing three ‘allies’ who had said that they there going to vote against Boehner but reneged.
Boehner’s stooges may dismiss today’s challenge as being no big deal but the orange skinned drunk knows better.
“Yes it’s amazing how far Cali has swung to the left.
1966: Reagan 58/42
2014: Moonbeam 60/40”
I’ve been in SoCal the entire time. And the difference is due to demographics.
In 1966 SoCal was American suburbia. A land of aerospace engineers and surfers.
Today, in 2015, we are a colony of the 3rd world. We imported poverty and people whose native cultures think that the government should do things for them. And it’s not just illegals from Mexico who think that.
Welcome to post-America. We already see what it looks like in Cali. When Boehner collaborates with Obama to pass amnesty this year the rest of the country will join us.
Well said.
Rant ....
The only cure is the force of GOD, requested by prayer.
I pray for a charismatic populist limited government Christian conservative to make a third-party "independent" run for president in 2016, if the Republican party nominates another Romney-esque "Republican." Even if all that happened was the next leftist Republican or Democrat entered office on a plurality, at least it would be on record that a majority objected to the leftist in the White House. That negative would apply even to the populist Independent in the event he/she won, but at least it would be a start. Either way, limited government conservatives would benefit.
It’s time to do away with the political party system in America. That mindset, that extra-constitutional framework, has failed. It is destroying the republic.
Vote principle, vote truth, vote devotion to the sacred oath to support and defend the Constitution, and nothing else.
If you believe in representative self-government, and the candidates don’t support what you believe, stop supporting them.
It’s simple.
“I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.”
— George Washington, Farewell Address
Not really. The closest to that that you are going to find is James Webb. On some issues he is to the right of the GOPe.
I’m joining you on that one.
Thanks.
There are plenty of local and state level fascists too.
I would vote third party or stay home just to see the republicans slaughtered.
As for “fighting” another way, the people are outgunned. On top that, who would be the first willing to act other than posting stuff on the internet or sending emails.
We're forgetting something very important...from day one the Tea Party did NOT want to have any specific leadership...they wanted it to be a groundswell of people which for many was sufficient. They did inform and rally people for a time but it was always about up-seating politicians not to their liking and then would dwindle out until the next one running...and then it moved again.
I do not see how the Tea Party can continue without some sort of leadership at the top...but when ever that is raised there's an outcry against this. They are community organizers for the most part....and this with generally very limited funding.
The elites have always had a well organized and co-operation relationship between their groups....they understand the significance of getting behind their “winner” and seeing him through til the end. We don't do that...we scatter and run all over the place and bicker and fight rather than determine what principles to run a candidate with and on....and stay with him. This is why the DEMOREBUBS always put so many candidates out there.... they know full well they can get the “sheeple” to twist and squirm and never determine one to stand with. ...and it's always that way. We see it on these threads every time.
O yes they are much better organized in every way...and they know fully how to use social media VERY effectively....including the candidates who support them. Ours not so much.
You're correct we need to get people informed, but more as it happens rather than two or three days out....we're not good about that either....we don't look ahead but always seem to be in response mode rather than get ahead of the game to what is likely coming.
Conservatives are indeed conservatives...and as I see it not big risk takers...(like sheep they get scared easily)...where demorats just barge ahead and don't linger at their losses because they're already moving ahead because of their planning...basically all they do is reroute and or dodge what's in their way but they do keep moving. And they will do whatever it takes to move those obstacles out of the way...we want to be “fair” while they slam dunk the ball before we can even “think” about stopping their play....
I agree at this point also that party shouldn't matter now...we need to have a good man and everybody get behind him no matter if you a social conservative or whatever.
BTW Demorats know if they can get us tangled up on social issues instead of government they have us in their web. Which is why I opposed Santorum so much....he may have attracted the conservatives for his social issues but he'd never win the election...ever..and he won't now. We need those who can win the debates and attract all peoples to his court.
Imo Cruz has the ability, style and head knowledge to see things coming before they get there....and he's proved this. I may not agree with him at every point when he seems to oppose some of my issues but I realize he's got to play to all people and I'd trust his conservative values to fully kick in once he wins.
But I'm open for any Conservative that is really that....Jeb isn't, Santorum isn't, Romney certainly isn't a consideration and neither is Huckleberry. None of them can win the election though they might in the primary.
It's just flat out frustrating we have the divisions we do and for that things do not fly for us....
bttt for a better time
I wish some would bolt.....just to see it shake out
His daughter is married to Rastafarian
I mean really....we expect any sort of conservatism from this man
Ar the State level, I think it is fair to say it would have been preferable to see Boehner lose to a Democrat.
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