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GERMAN SPEARHEAD NEAR MEUSE SURROUNDED; PATTON CRACKS FLANK, WIDENS BASTOGNE PATH (12/29/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 12/29/44 | Drew Middleton, Harold Denny, Richard J.H. Johnston, Harold Callender, Hanson W. Baldwin

Posted on 12/29/2014 4:41:16 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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To: occamrzr06

Can hardly wait.


21 posted on 12/29/2014 12:01:04 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; occamrzr06; abb; Hebrews 11:6; iowamark; EternalVigilance

Page 3, bottom right:

WASHINGTON, Dec. 28: The United States, in angry helplessness, is preparing to protest the shooting of American soldiers captured by the Germans during their forward rush into Belgium. The State Department is gathering from the War Department evidence that will form the basis of the protest.

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To whom, one wonders, will they address this protest ... and why bother? Surely there are more useful things for the clerks of the State and War Departments to do.

Such nice placement of prepositional phrases! You can tell the writer learned in school to diagram his sentences.


22 posted on 12/29/2014 12:47:58 PM PST by Tax-chick (Our God is King!)
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To: Tax-chick

The diplomats of warring states would still enter protests against each other through neutral intermediaries. It was kind of a way of saying “We know what you’re doing, knock it off or we officially retaliate in kind.”

Of course, I strongly suspect that “unofficial retaliation” is taking place on the battlefield anyway.


23 posted on 12/29/2014 1:02:49 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: iowamark

“Do not bother to answer this.”

You’d have to think Ike’s first thought was “Then why bother sending it?”

That last line basically says “I’m just doing this because I’m a dick.”


24 posted on 12/29/2014 1:04:56 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster

I don’t think the U.S. would ever, officially, tell the front-line soldiers to kill prisoners.


25 posted on 12/29/2014 1:08:29 PM PST by Tax-chick (Our God is King!)
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To: Tax-chick

“Don’t kill the prisoners.”

Wink wink

Nudge nudge


26 posted on 12/29/2014 1:17:16 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster

Yeah, like that.


27 posted on 12/29/2014 1:19:49 PM PST by Tax-chick (Our God is King!)
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To: occamrzr06; Homer_J_Simpson; Old Sarge; Tax-chick; BroJoeK; henkster; AU72; abb; PeterPrinciple; ...
Drew Middleton and Hanson Baldwin were in a near panic. Today's reporting seems more grounded. It also seems the news is still delayed 48 hours. We found out about the relief of Bastogne on Dec. 28.

Thanks for posting the Ike-Monty letters. Looks like they weren't declassified until 1967. Monty's arrogance really knew no bounds.

His demands were especially ironic given it was his insistence on Market-Garden and failure to clear the Scheldt that led directly to this disaster.

28 posted on 12/29/2014 1:23:07 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
Sometimes I think Monty was the prototype for Monty Python's Flying Circus.


29 posted on 12/29/2014 1:31:38 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: colorado tanker

Apparently, there were several articles in London newspapers clamoring for Monty to be made ground force commander. That precipitated Marshall’s cable to Ike, telling him to stand his ground. They would be interesting to read.


30 posted on 12/29/2014 1:36:54 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: EternalVigilance
Monty was the product of an officer caste system virtually guaranteed to elicit scathing spoofs from the Monty Python crew:

Confuse a cat photo confuseacat_zps703df453.jpg

"Very Well...Confuse the...Cat!"

31 posted on 12/29/2014 1:43:51 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster

We can laugh from the distance of years, which is fine, but the fact is arrogant self-centered leaders cost real lives in war.

If only some of these people were half as smart as they thought they were ...


32 posted on 12/29/2014 1:48:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: colorado tanker; EternalVigilance
Monty and Ike were both still alive when those letters were released.

Also, per the Wiki page on Montgomery:

In the 1998 documentary Live At Aspen during the US Comedy Arts Festival, the British comedy troupe Monty Python explained how they came up with their name, saying that the name Monty "... made us laugh because Monty to us means Lord Montgomery, our great general of the Second World War".

33 posted on 12/29/2014 1:48:54 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: abb

Weapons-grade deadpan sarcasm from Ike. Reminds me of my mother.


34 posted on 12/29/2014 1:52:27 PM PST by Tax-chick (Our God is King!)
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To: colorado tanker

http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/research/online_documents/ardennes_battle_bulge.html

Good source here.


35 posted on 12/29/2014 1:53:03 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: EternalVigilance; dfwgator
Sometimes the best way to point out the failures of guys like like Montgomery is to relentlessly and scathingly mock them. Just like the Monty Python skit on joke warfare I always exchange with dfwgator:

It was 60,000 times more effective than Britain's great pre-war joke.

Appeasement photo chamberlain1.jpg

Yes, Britain's "Great Pre-war joke" cost millions of lives. But I still laugh at it.

36 posted on 12/29/2014 1:54:40 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Tax-chick

“Please read this document carefully...”


37 posted on 12/29/2014 1:54:44 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: abb

Monty’s letter to Ike:
Ike’s reply to Monty:


Good thing they didn’t internet, emails and sites like FR back then.................


38 posted on 12/29/2014 1:54:53 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: henkster

Aha!


39 posted on 12/29/2014 1:59:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: henkster

General Anthony C. McAuliffe Recounting The German Demand To Surrender Bastogne, 12/29/1944 (December 29, 1944)

https://archive.org/details/GeneralAnthonyCMcAuliffe


40 posted on 12/29/2014 2:04:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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