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To: RoosterRedux
The thing is if it didn't happen, we wouldn't be conscious to know it.

Out of quintillions of Universes that had a chance to start, this may be the only one that resulted in planets and life as we know it. Or it could be one of quintillions of universes/planets that did result in life and the Universe has been restarting for some near-infinite amount of time. Or some creative force made everything exactly the way it is once. No way to know from our current perspective.

IMO, the “God” and “creator” questions are not answerable to us in any present understanding of consciousness, space and time. All of our scientific observations will eventually lead to some infinite trivialities that are a tossup between infinite randomness or a divine creator. IMO, it is far beyond either theory and is something that will require a whole different perception of reality to understand

23 posted on 12/27/2014 5:49:11 AM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga

I don’t think you are “doing the math” correctly. If you look, you can find plenty of evidence that there is NO MATHEMATICAL chance this happened by cosmic accident. None. It was designed.

Thus, there was/is a designer. Period.


24 posted on 12/27/2014 5:51:29 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: varyouga

IMO, it is far beyond either theory and is something that will require a whole different perception of reality to understand

You are correct my FRiend. And that reality will be revealed to you when you leave this Earth, IF and only IF you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, accept God in faith, confess your sins and ask for forgiveness. In Heaven we will see the wonders of God’s works.


26 posted on 12/27/2014 6:06:36 AM PST by ImNotLying
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To: varyouga
IMO, the “God” and “creator” questions are not answerable to us in any present understanding of consciousness

For me it is the difference between possible & probable.

Keep in the mind the point of this article: ...if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all.

Now, stack the chances of the universe even existing, with the chances of life spontaneously generating (and the chances of the eye or even the brain forming), and you're forced to answer (or at least formulate) the question: was their a designer, or could everything truly come from nothing - by chance?

Sure, it's certainly possible, but definitely not probable.

Are you a gambler?

39 posted on 12/27/2014 6:42:37 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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