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Sydney says thanks to the cops for bravery in Martin Place siege
news.com.au ^ | 18th December 2014

Posted on 12/17/2014 10:32:54 PM PST by naturalman1975

THE Australian public has hailed the police as heroes following the siege in Martin Place.

The 17-hour stand-off at the Lindt cafe involved NSW police officers as well as members of the state Public Order Riot Squad, Dog Unit, Negotiators, Aviation Support Branch, Police Rescue and elite Tactical Operations Unit.

Now, Sydneysiders and the rest of the world are mounting a campaign to express their thanks to all those who risked their lives.

A Facebook page has declared this “Say Thanks to the Cops Day”, and members of the public have been stopping police in the street to express their gratitude.

One officer was clapped and cheered when he went into a McDonald’s in a western Sydney suburb for food, said a spokesperson for NSW police.

“Most people have been really, really supportive,” he said, “Members of the public have been approaching police on the street and there’s been a fair amount online.”

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The Facebook page read: “Despite the horror of the Sydney Siege that took place overnight one thing stood out that represents a shining light for our way of life. That is the professionalism and bravery shown by the Police Officers who worked non stop for the entire 17 hour siege.

“When watching footage of these guys storming into the Lindt Café it is important to remember that they are not just police officers. They are husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. They are just ordinary people like you and I putting their life on the line for us.

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The creator of the page, Joseph Del Duca, told news.com.au: “We are really encouraging people to thank the cops in anyway they feel comfortable. Be it a handshake, a nod or offering to shout them a coffee

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


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To: naturalman1975

Oh yeah? what gun do you use as your daily carry weapons?


21 posted on 12/18/2014 12:15:53 AM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: naturalman1975

Would you please link to the article that you are using?

All you did was show a twitter sentence dated the 15th.


22 posted on 12/18/2014 12:17:40 AM PST by ansel12
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To: RC one

Para Ordnance P14

I only carry sometimes, though. I’m a school teacher, and my school doesn’t like it and I generally respect their wishes.


23 posted on 12/18/2014 12:20:17 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ansel12

I can’t magically link to a TV news report from four days ago.

If a statement from the BBC Security Correspondent isn’t good enough for you, that’s your business.


24 posted on 12/18/2014 12:21:36 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ansel12

I have managed to download the BBC News at 10 from 15th December, which is the program I am referring to, from a torrent site. If you want I will try and work out how to upload the clips from that that refer to “police and troops” (not just police) and “commandos” being involved in the raid. This will take some work on my part because I’m going to have to figure out how to clip out the relevant part and then see if I can upload it somewhere without it being blocked for copyright reasons. I’m willing to do that if you are willing to look at the thing with an open mind and see what it actually say - otherwise I’m just wasting more of my time.


25 posted on 12/18/2014 12:34:58 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
As for my other sources, I can’t link personal conversations and unless you’re ex- or serving ADF, you almost certainly won’t have access to the other place I’m discussing this online and frankly I wouldn’t want to invite you to that forum.

Tell me the forum so that I can look at it, my military experience may be useful on it.

26 posted on 12/18/2014 12:37:41 AM PST by ansel12
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To: naturalman1975

How exactly have you managed to get a permit for a .45 caliber category H firearm as a school teacher? it seems like you must certainly fall within a small minority of Australian citizens.


27 posted on 12/18/2014 12:38:41 AM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: ansel12

It’s an ADF specific forum, and while occasionally others are invited to join it, I’m not prepared to invite you. I’d be expected to be responsible for your behaviour and I’m not prepared to do that.


28 posted on 12/18/2014 12:39:37 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: RC one

Mine is actually a .38 and I got a permit by applying for it, filling out the forms, and sitting an interview.

The difficulty involved is commonly exaggerated by certain people. I wouldn’t call it easy exactly to get a Category H (and I have a Category C as well) but it isn’t really that hard. Getting my heavy vehicle licence was harder.


29 posted on 12/18/2014 12:41:39 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

I’m not asking you to invite me, I just want to look at the forum.


30 posted on 12/18/2014 12:41:56 AM PST by ansel12
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To: naturalman1975

You are afraid to even tell us which forum it is?

Also, do you have more recent sources than the 15th?


31 posted on 12/18/2014 12:45:18 AM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

The forum is a closed forum, not an open one. You wouldn’t see anything.


32 posted on 12/18/2014 12:45:48 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Then there is no harm in telling me which one it is.


33 posted on 12/18/2014 12:47:06 AM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Also, do you have more recent sources than the 15th?

I don't have time to look at every news broadcast. The 15th is when I heard it so I was able to identify the right broadcast.

I have heard a couple of other references since but for the life of me I could not say which out of all the news broadcasts I've watched they were on. I only remember this one because I remembered it was Frank Gardner specifically.

34 posted on 12/18/2014 12:48:14 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

For all intents and purposes, Australia is a gun free zone and I understand that there are still citizens that own guns there but what I was trying to convey was that it is highly unlikely that an armed citizen will ever be present in a situation like this to intervene-that an attacker can be quite confident that he will have the only firearm in the building when he walks in with his and starts shooting people. A movie theater or a school is considered a gun free zone in America because rules have been put into place which greatly reduce the odds of a law abiding gun carrying citizen being present when a psycho walks in and takes over. It’s a generalization in other words.


35 posted on 12/18/2014 12:49:10 AM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: naturalman1975

So tell me the name of the forum.


36 posted on 12/18/2014 12:49:37 AM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

That’s not information I’m prepared to share. It’s a closed, private forum for a variety of reasons.


37 posted on 12/18/2014 12:53:46 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: RC one

As a generalisation, OK - you’re right, it’s not likely somebody will encounter an armed civilian very often. But the trouble is, a lot of people making statements our gun laws that aren’t particularly accurate is a large part of the reason we have so many problems. Far more people could get a licence - but they don’t because they’ve been convinced it’s so much harder than it is.


38 posted on 12/18/2014 12:55:35 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

I think you are doing something that you have done in the past, lie your tail off to win arguments.

There is no reason to tell us which forum it it is, none.

If it is closed, then it will say that on it’s site.


39 posted on 12/18/2014 12:57:21 AM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I’m only supposed to refer people to the forum if I trust them and known them and consider they would add value to the forum - especially if they are not connected to the ADF. That includes telling them where to find it. It’s a private forum and what you would see on the front page would tell you nothing about its content anyway even if it wasn’t considered bad form to send people to it.

I’ve had people try to mess me up on the net before. And that makes me even more cautious.

I haven’t lied once. If I’m winning this argument, it’s because I’m right. But I don’t feel like I’m winning. I feel like I’m beating my head against a brick wall.

I’m going to leave this here, because it’s 8pm and I have things I want to do this evening. I am still willing to try and clip and upload the video from the news broadcast I mentioned if there’s any point. You might also be able to find it online somewhere else. News at Ten, BBC, 15th December 2014.

References to ‘troops’ are 11 seconds into the broadcast. References to ‘troops and police’ are at 1 minute 53 seconds. References to ‘Australian Commandos’ at 2.48. And references to ‘Australian Commandos and police’ at 6.38 (that is the reference specifically from Frank Gardner, and I’ve given you the reference to his tweet where he says who they were.)


40 posted on 12/18/2014 1:13:14 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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