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If Waterboarding Works, Does That Make It Morally Acceptable?
Townhall.com ^ | December 17 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 12/17/2014 4:24:07 PM PST by Kaslin

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To: caww
...”Torture does not, and cannot, preserve human dignity”....
Terrorism is contempt for human dignity....what we’re facing with Islamic terrorists is an unprecedented threat to human dignity...the right to live.
We lose dignity if we tolerate the intolerable...and that of our children and the generationss to come.

Nobody's saying we should tolerate terrorism.

81 posted on 12/18/2014 5:43:20 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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Would it have been acceptable for the paki government to torture someone with guilty knowledge in order to prevent the murder of 148 students and teachers.?


82 posted on 12/18/2014 5:44:08 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Defund , sue, impeach. Overturn Obamacare, amnesty.)
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To: OneWingedShark
...."They did something terrible, so that justifies our doing something terrible line of reasoning?... the existence of evil or injustice does not justify further evils or injustices".....


83 posted on 12/18/2014 6:06:18 PM PST by caww
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They deserve death so anything less than that is moral.


84 posted on 12/18/2014 6:16:27 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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85 posted on 12/18/2014 6:17:36 PM PST by caww
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You're talking about torturing people, you're basing your justification of it on what they did, that their degradation of the human lives of their victims justifies degrading their lives. Then you turn around and post that, implying that Jesus's righteous fury at the degradation of the temple is on the same level as torture?

Wow.

Don't you know what Jesus said?

(Matthew 12:36)
But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.
If even idle.empty words will demand an account on the day of judgement, do you think that torture wouldn't?
Especially because of the following:
(Matthew 22:15-22)
Then the Pharisees went and plotted to entrap him in what he said. So they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are sincere, and teach the way of God in accordance with truth, and show deference to no one; for you do not regard people with partiality. Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not?”

But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? Show me the coin used for the tax.”

And they brought him a denarius. Then he said to them, “Whose head is this, and whose title?”

They answered, “The emperor’s.”

Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

When they heard this, they were amazed; and they left him and went away

(Genisis 1:26-27)
Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”

So God created humankind in his image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.

Three times we are told here that Man is made in God's image.
Do you think that God will hold one blameless who tortures someone who bears His image?
86 posted on 12/18/2014 6:37:51 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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Lets just put it this way...


87 posted on 12/18/2014 9:40:09 PM PST by caww
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I see you evade the point.


88 posted on 12/18/2014 10:09:04 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

No ..I made my point.

It is extremely frustrating to watch pundits and politicians put ideology and legalize above the safety of the American people, and that’s what’s happening... War is war...there is nothing “fair” about it. To attempt to legalize behavior at any level is insanity.

We use to fight wars ‘to turn back evil men’....now we send attorneys to determine if they take a shot or not if it’s legal....only to see those very men who are not shot kill our boys in the next round.

This debate over interogation techniques will not go quietly into the night because ideologues rarely admit they are wrong.

Oh my point is clear....the US needs to win wars and conflicts however possible to do that...otherwise evil men will simply continue to do what they do to this day...and are.


89 posted on 12/19/2014 10:26:09 AM PST by caww
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