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To: naturalman1975
You obviously believe you are an expert on all of this.

Weird thing to say,it isn't true, so I don't know what your purpose is in saying it, then you go into "witch hunts".

You sound like a flake, one that wants to post threads on the killings but doesn't want any discussion of it, or any questioning of how so many hostages ended up dead or shot.

17 posted on 12/17/2014 8:00:10 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Weird thing to say,it isn't true, so I don't know what your purpose is in saying it, then you go into "witch hunts".

My purpose in saying it is that you seem to have made up your mind that something went wrong. I can't see why somebody would do that if they didn't think they were an expert on the matter under discussion.

You sound like a flake, one that wants to post threads on the killings but doesn't want any discussion of it, or any questioning of how so many hostages ended up dead or shot.

I'm no flake. What I am is somebody whose been on the other side of this equation. I've been involved in a situation where even though we did everything right in performing rescues, we couldn't save everybody. We did well to save as many as we did and we did everything right.

And then we had to put up with amateurs who had no clear understanding of the circumstances claiming that because people died we'd obviously failed. That we couldn't possibly have done it all right. We did - and after investigation - a lot of investigation - we were found to have done the right things and to have done them well. But for months we had to just endure the innuendos and times blatant abuse from people who were not qualified to judge. And we couldn't defend ourselves because the matter was awaiting determination by the investigation and inquest.

That's the problem - the people you are criticising aren't free to defend themselves. The investigation is likely to take weeks or months. It's an awful position to be in. As I say, I've been there. And one of the few things that helped was seeing people speaking up for the idea that there shouldn't be a rush to judgement.

I 'post on the killings' because this is a major news story that matters. But at this point, the only person who we know shares any of the blame for what happened is the scumbag who started all this. Trying to cast blame on anybody else in any way without any actual evidence or expertise and before the investigation is complete is simply, in my view, wrong, and I will say so.

I do want what happened discussed and questioned - but primarily by the experts who are qualified to do so and who are already carrying out investigations. If they find there were deficiencies in what happened, that's a very different thing from somebody without expertise doing so. But my main problem is you have gone beyond just asking questions. I've seen you insisting something must have gone wrong ("Mistakes were obviously made, there is no question about that, we have dead hostages to bury."). That's a logical fallacy. Everything can go right and people can still die, because there are all sorts of variables involved. I've also seen you repeat at least one rumour that I have information is incorrect - because while I'm not an expert either, I know some people who are. There's all sort of nonsense circulating about things that supposedly happened that are not true. Some of it may even be deliberate in order to conceal certain capabilities.

You're not just asking questions - you're making judgements you are not qualified to make. And there are men who put their lives on the line who deserve the benefit of the doubt until somebody can show they did something wrong.

19 posted on 12/17/2014 10:22:20 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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