Posted on 12/15/2014 2:38:49 PM PST by BunnySlippers
She recalls: 'My girlfriend got an invite to a Playboy party and asked me to go with her. I remember being excited about it.
'We stayed at the W Hotel in Hollywood which is one of my favorites and were both looking forward to the party. We got all dressed up, we were going to the Playboy mansion after all.
'I was a wearing a cute little red dress and my friend was wearing a strapless tan dress.
'I remember we got to the house and it was like a bigger party so there was a lot going on, lots of girls wearing not very much.
'They checked our ID at the door so I knew drinking was off limits.'
Goins says the party was in full swing when they arrived at the mansion at around 11pm.
Within a few minutes of walking in they were introduced to Hugh Hefner himself.
'We were running late but we were quickly introduced to Hef when we got there. It was the first time I had met him, I was excited and all focus was on him. Me and my friend were two cute blondes, he liked us.
'We were talking to Hef for a while and that's when Bill Cosby walked up. I kind of recognized him from TV, I know he was on a TV show where he played a family guy, but he was a little bit before my
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So, are you saying that this woman made that up ? That she is lying ?
Sure, she didn't say the 12 bunnies were 'raped' at the Mansion. Where do you think it happened, or is it just a coincidence that they are all Playboy Bunnies ?
You seem to be saying that she is TELLING THE TRUTH about being drugged and raped, but NOT TELLING THE TRUTH when she mentions the 12 other Playboy Bunnies. Is that correct ?
It’s hard to know if you are a troll or a true idiot, but shouldn’t you wait until the 12 bunnies exist before you start claiming to know where they were raped, or incorporating them into your nonsense?
According to your post 135, after you have been repeatedly claiming that 6 women were raped at the mansion, then 4, then that Masten was raped at the Playboy mansion, making it 3, and then it being proved that she actually says she was raped at his hotel, you instantly switched to implying that she is lying about where she was raped, and now you want to switch to 12 women that don’t exist yet.
I guess you are just a troll of some sort that crosses over between trolling and some mental issue.
No, I’m willing to admit that as I read the various stories and threads that the number of women’s stories which alluded to being BUNNIES or being at the Playboy Mansion piled up and at first I was guessing at the number. I revised it down as you made some points.
However, if you believe what P.J.Marten claims about being raped, then you must also accept the rest of her story. Either she is telling the truth or she is lying.
Anyway, the point is that you have become so obsessed with the NUMBER of women that had incidents with Cosby AT the Playboy Mansion. It seems to be extremely important to you to WIN that argument. I don’t know why. You seem to be the type that latches onto the minutest details of an argument and battles until you think you have achieved some kind of victory. Yoo Hoo, you won. Pat yourself on the back.
In the meantime, you have missed the main issue. Cosby seemed to have a history of this and it seemed to have started with the Playboy Mansion. Many(if not all) the women were aspiring actresses, models, or Playboy bunnies. This is a fact. Whether it was two or 20 playboy bunnies really matters not. It does show that the women he was involved with were ‘supplied’ to him, or ‘offered’ themselves to him. Again, I don’t think the non-bunnies thought they would get drugged and molested, but if they thought he was going to make them a star ‘for nothing’ they were fools. They were taken advantage of by not only Cosby, but the industry and media that surrounded him.
The critical issue, imho, is why did this come out now ?
I went back and checked, because I had thought that I only mentioned the Mansion and not the Clubs in my posts. I see now I did type CLUB into the last line of one of my posts. That was a mistake, I meant the Mansion. Everything else on that post was referring to the Mansion and I just goofed. So sue me.
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Woman alleges Cosby raped her -- and other Playboy bunnies
He was also no stranger to Playboy.
Now that connection is among those coming back to him, as more and more women -- at least 21, by CNN's count -- accuse him of sexual misconduct.
(There are) 12 former bunnies that I know of that are ashamed to come forward, frightened to come forward, married with families (and) don't want to come forward." Masten said. "But they were also drugged and raped by Bill Cosby."
P.J. Masten was a "bunny." Or, in other words, she was a waitress -- albeit one in 3-inch high heels, 5-inch bunny ears and a tight-fitting costume.
She was in her 20s when, in 1972, she began working at a Playboy club. in northern New Jersey. Masten would end up working at similar clubs in Los Angeles and Chicago.
It was in Chicago that Cosby invited her out to lunch one afternoon, even jumping behind the counter to make hot dogs.
Huth's story also has a Playboy connection. In her lawsuit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, she claims that Cosby met her and a 16-year-old friend when he was filming a movie in the Southern California city's Lacy Park.
He invited them to his tennis club, serving them alcoholic beverages there, then took them to the Playboy Mansion, according to the lawsuit."
Another accuser, Carla Ferrigno, says she was an 18-year-old Playboy bunny when she went with a male friend to Cosby's Beverly Hills home in 1967 and kissed her roughly after her date left the room.
Playboy playmate Victoria Valentino says a friend introduced her to Cosby hoping to help her get work on his show "I Spy" in the late 1960s. She alleges he gave her pills at dinner to "cheer up," after which she felt "stoned" as he took her to another place.
Lots of talk among Playboy bunnies
Masten is convinced there are other women with ties to Playboy who have similar stories.
She said Cosby has come up at a recent reunion of Playboy bunnies, as well as in blogs and Facebook pages restricted to them.
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Gee.... there seems to be some common segment to their stories, but I can't tell what it is. Can you ?
For Bill Cosby, it’s always Wabbitt Season?
Be vewwwy qwiet. I’m waping wabbits!
LOL
Where did you ever come up with that idea ? Show me where I said that.
Thank you. I enjoyed our conversation as well. Hope to see you again.
The first alleged victim was Kristina Ruehli, who was associated with a talent agency, not the Playboy Mansion and not a Playboy Club.
presuming that the women coming out are truthful, one major reason things against cosby are coming out now in contrast to some other time or never seems to be reluctance due to rape stigma:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3237545/posts?page=61#61
in rape stigma, rape victims are reluctant to come forward until someone else does first:
Rape Stigma; Survivors
from: Encyclopedia of Rape
Merril D. Smith, editor
2004
in cosby’s case, the current wave of women coming forward was precipitated by a viral youtube video of Hannibal Burell, who was not a victim, but who was performing in the role of a social commentator and muse. the encyclopedia of rape mentions the catalyst being primarily other women alleged victims coming forward to traditional media outlets, not a viral youtube video by a male comedian, but the principle is the same: a catalyst operating in the public view, with help either from the published media or the grassroots media. allowances for the book not mentioning the possibility of a viral internet video resulting in victims coming forward might be excusable by the fact that youtube was not founded until 2005, one year after the book was published, and so the concept and reality of the viral video phenomenon had not yet become widespread as a platform for alternative media.
If this is the situation, the exact timing of the start of the current wave is not, in fact, critical, because the instability (unpublished allegations) were “blocked in the pipeline” by rape stigma (etc), and awaiting only a catalyst event. IOW, if it had not been Burell who started the current wave, it could easily have been someone else, because at the time the video went viral, the willingness to make allegations in public was evidently gathering collective strength and merely seeking an outlet for release.
The first alleged victim was Kristina Ruehli, who was associated with a talent agency,
I don't know if you have read all my posts on this thread, but I did mention that these women were 'aspiring actresses, models, AND Playboy Bunnies'.
This article that constitutes this thread is about an incident at the Playboy Mansion. Therefore most of my responses applied to the women who claim they were sexually assaulted/molested/raped/licked by Cosby at the Playboy Mansion or one of the Playboy Clubs, or because they had been Playboy Bunnies he met first at the Mansion or Clubs.
The argument dragged on because someone else wanted to argue over the number of women that this happened to.
Do you think the talent agency that Kristina was associated with didn't 'know' what was going on ? They send these women/girls to these 'meetings' with 'stars' knowing full well that most of them will get 'used' but most won't be put on the road to stardom.
There may be a few 'innocent' victims in this fiasco, but most of them accepted what happened either because they thought they MIGHT get something out of it, or they were afraid it might damage their 'career' if they did complain.
One woman kept coming back for the same 'treatment' for FOUR YEARS.
How do you explain that?
Don't get me wrong. I have little doubt Cosby did many of these things. Maybe not ALL of them, but at least a majority of these women were taken advantage of. However, most of them put themselves in that position to begin with. Those who returned after the FIRST TIME have no one to blame but themselves.
P.S. I posted a link to an article about that comedian earlier in the thread.
BTW, his name is HANNIBAL BURESS, not BURELL.
Ruehli was nominally not an actress, not a model, and not a playboy bunny. she worked in the legal department of the talent agency. did you at one point claim that it all started at the Playboy Mansion, as if attempting to insinuate that all alleged victims were sex workers? Here is your specific statement that I responded to:
Cosby seemed to have a history of this and it seemed to have started with the Playboy Mansion.
Unless you equate office worker with Playboy bunny, that statement is false.
I am taking your statements one sentence at a time and evaluating each of them independently. Are you now saying your statements do not necessarily hold true when evaluated one sentence at a time?
Are you saying that all office workers in LA are aspiring actresses and models? Or just office workers in talent agencies? Female or male or both? In what other types of offices can this be presumed to be the case? If you can’t claim the general case, then you are injecting your personal presumptions into the story.
KR already stated that her talent agency dealt with many above board talent with totally clean reputations such as Bing Crosby. Are you claiming that Bing Crosby and others like him were associated with drugs and sex since they shared the talent agency with Bill Cosby? KR stated in her initial statements that she was not “sent” by the agency at all to BC’s residence but that he invited the office workers and she took up the offer of her own volition— what is your source for that claim that the agency “sent” her?
It was not clear to me that you were limiting your arguments to the Playboy bunnies. It sounds almost as if you are into manufacturing circumstances favorable towards blaming all of the alleged victims.
Are you blaming BCs alleged victims? Or just some of them? If only some of them, then what is the point... BC is above reproach some of the time, because the bunnies, models, and aspiring actresses are slutty and had it coming whenever they attend parties? What value is it to BC is BC being above reproach only some of the time?
Our past behavior is often the primary determinant of our future behavior. At the time of office worker KR’s encounter with BC, all of the remainder of the allegations (including all of those involving Playboy, models, and aspiring actresses) were in his future. This suggests that the behavior had less to do with Playboy, models, and aspiring actresses and more to do with something in BC’s psyche.
I expect that you would not relish that implication, ...but there it is.
Buress, Burell... I seem to have communicated the point I was trying to make adequately. Thanks for the correction.
Don’t get me wrong. I have little doubt Cosby did many of these things. Maybe not ALL of them, but at least a majority of these women were taken advantage of. However, most of them put themselves in that position to begin with. Those who returned after the FIRST TIME have no one to blame but themselves.
Let’s say for argument’s sake OK, you have a point.
I have little doubt that the women who came back also realize this themselves.
I also have little doubt that the women who came back realize that by coming forward they open themselves to criticism by folks such as you.
Yet these women still come forward. They come forward, DESPITE paying a heavy price of ridicule in the public spotlight from skeptical members of the public. Many of them. I would be very surprised if we have heard the last one (would you?), and the count is now up to around 29. That is a lot of witnesses and plaintiffs.
How do you explain that?
In many cases, they come forward, with no stated expectation of personal gain. They are coming forward as witnesses. They are not presenting themselves as perfect human beings, but as people with information that they feel is needed... needed by juries, or by the public, or both.
I guess I am not expecting these people who come forward to be perfect.
Then again, I don’t go around thinking of women who are models, aspiring actresses and/or playboy bunnies (or who happen to work in talent agencies) necessarily as marks for some sort of quasi-legal variant of forced sex by anyone with a penis.
[ I just want to confirm that you are not arguing conspiracy. You are not arguing conspiracy, yes?]
Women who dress "provocatively" are to "blame" when they are raped?
No, but if they're "lettin it all hang out" they are not blameless when they are ogled, whistled at, or asked "how much".
Not criticism, it's healthy skepticism.
I would be very surprised if we have heard the last one
I would as well. Of course, I would treat the new claimants with the same skepticism I treated the initial ones.
That is a lot of witnesses and plaintiffs. How do you explain that?
I think I made that clear earlier. Cosby was allegedly a sexual deviant, however and whenever that started, and he was a 'celebrity' for a long, long time. It wouldn't be hard to chalk up a huge score over 40 years. Look at Wilt Chamberlain. A good rock band 'star' could probably do 30 in a month.
I guess I am not expecting these people who come forward to be perfect.
Me either. Matter of fact, I'm absolutely certain that their 'memory' of the incident(s) is not perfect either. Most of them state they "don't remember" what happened, but they are sure they were raped. A Judge would laugh at the during a testimony. None of these women have any evidence. Only ONE claims that Cosby got her pregnant, yet she refused to allow a DNA test. It has been a long time since most of these incidents occurred. Human beings don't remember 'events' exactly as they occurred. They remember HOW THEY FELT about them.
All these things make me skeptical.
Then again, I don’t go around thinking of women who are models, aspiring actresses and/or playboy bunnies (or who happen to work in talent agencies) necessarily as marks for some sort of quasi-legal variant of forced sex by anyone with a penis.
Having sex with someone while they are unconscious is wrong. Regardless to why they are unconscious.
I just want to confirm that you are not arguing conspiracy.
The only 'conspiracy' was done by Hefner, the Hollywood crowd, and the MSM who conspired to keep this under wraps for at least dozens of years.
I don't know if you believe they had no idea this was going on, but I certainly don't.
Healthy skepticism is OK. However, healthy skepticism can become increasingly unhealthy as the number of unrelated witnesses, alleged victims, and plaintiffs increase.
My understanding at least is that the nominal role of judges is not to laugh at testimony. It is to dispense justice in a fair and unbiased manner. Juries are accorded the role of determining guilt, innocence, or liability.
I think what you mean by lack of evidence is lack of direct evidence. there is testimony which is also evidence, and people have stepped forward indicating willingness to give such testimony. Also, circumstantial evidence is still evidence. It is just not direct evidence. Also, evidence can be impeached on cross by other evidence introduced by the opposing party. The jury is (usually) the ultimate trier of fact (judge being the usual trier of law). (In a bench trial, the judge is trier of fact and law, but these are high profile cases so I regard bench trials for these actions as being unlikely in prospect.)
yes, I too believe many of the “wrong” Hollywood crowd probably had considerable knowledge that this kind of stuff was going on, if they were not somehow more directly involved. Having stated my belief, I also believe that it is to the advantage of this wrong crowd to keep details to themselves so that they can continue to prey upon the unsuspecting and naiive, of which Hollywood had an almost unlimited supply, at least up until now. So just because the wrong Hollywood crowd may have been in the know does not imply to me that everyone was necessarily in the know.
Yes, I share your concern that people such as Hefner knew or suspected. Take, for example, the most recent allegation to surface (the 2008 Playboy Mansion alleged incident). The woman claims that Cosby gave her a drink, that she became drowsy, that Hefner offered a bedroom, and that Cosby escorted her to the bedroom. If this account is true, Hefner is IMHO a scumbag and an enabler of Cosby’s alleged molestation in at least this case and likely others that have not yet been reported.
I also share your skepticism that the MSM was also not complicit at some level.
What is interesting is how the LA police are handling the situation now. They seem to be acting as johnny-come-lately and in an embarrassed manner. It is almost as if they had to be shamed into investigating, after all these years of alleged molestations happening in the shadows. Sheesh.
The reason I inquired about the conspiracy angle was only that arguments to counter the conspiracy angle are different from the arguments I presented, and I wanted to make sure I did not have to bring those arguments to bear. If I had, and conspiracy was not the issue, then it would have been tedious (or even more tedious as the case may be, haha). Sorry to bother.
IANAL
So why did Cosby only invite her, and none of her coworkers ? Did any of them think it was odd ?
When she got there , there was no party, why didn't she leave? Then she had a drink, then another. Maybe she kept drinking until she passed out. We have only her word. Sure, it's likely, given what we now know, that he drugged her.
But why did she stay in the first place?
I already know there are several rationalizations for that, and this woman being one of the first? to undergo BC's nefarious plan she had no reason to be suspicious.
Nothing is as simple as many believe. All things come in layers and are very complex. The first 'victims' had no way of knowing this might happen. But the later victims I have little pity for. Especially those who went to spend the evening or overnight with a much older man who was known to hang out at the Playboy Mansion, Playboy Clubs, and had a lot of money.
Again, my point is that most of these women had some responsibility for getting themselves into these situations, yet I have not heard a one of them admit that.
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