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Pew poll confirms amnesty a danger to gun rights
Examiner.com ^ | December 12, 2014 | David Codrea

Posted on 12/13/2014 9:16:26 AM PST by Q-ManRN

Survey results made public Wednesday by Pew Research Center show public support for protecting gun rights on the rise across all demographics except for two notable categories, “liberal Democrats” and “Hispanics.” [A]ttitudes expressed by Hispanics show overwhelming rejection of pro-gun political sentiment. With only 25 percent favoring laws protecting the right to own guns, 71 percent want government to “control ownership.” That tracks with warnings issued by Gun Owners of America, curiously alone among national gun rights advocacy groups. GOA has warned that amnesty for illegal aliens, and a "pathway to citizenship," will provide for millions of new anti-gun voters with the electoral clout to undo all hard-won legislative and judicial gains gun owners have enjoyed in recent years. With other gun groups justifying their inaction to take on amnesty under the “single issue” excuse that it's not directly about guns... If holdout gun organizations neither make politicians accountable for amnesty support, nor make the developing political gun rights threat known to their members, most gun owners may remain unaware, uninformed and unconvinced until it’s too late for them to seek political solutions.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; guncontrol; immigration; secondamendment; virusblog
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Folks, rewarding illegal immigrants with citizenship has a central theme: creating an overwhelming block of voters that support the Democratic Party in their socialist aims including gun control. Most of these illegal immigrants have been raised in socialist countries where the government is viewed as having god-like powers to provide for and protect every individual as well as single-handedly solve all of society's problems. Naturally, these people think that the government and their agents are the only ones that can be trusted with guns. Thus, they assume that any person with a gun who is not an agent approved by the government is a criminal simply because they possess a gun. All respectable gun owners should oppose illegal immigration and amnesty and support the Gun Owners of America in that regard.
1 posted on 12/13/2014 9:16:26 AM PST by Q-ManRN
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To: MinuteGal; M Kehoe; mcmuffin; Matchett-PI; Seeking the truth; JulieRNR21; surfer; Bob Ireland

2nd Amendment & illegal immigration ping.


2 posted on 12/13/2014 9:19:43 AM PST by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: Q-ManRN

What a SURPRISE !!!

Criminals and lawbreakers here illegally who mooch and steal don’t want their victims to be armed.


3 posted on 12/13/2014 9:23:06 AM PST by Iron Munro (D.H.S. has the same headcount as the US Marine Corps with twice the budget)
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To: Q-ManRN
Legal immigration has had a far more devastating impact on electoral politics than illegal immigration. We bring in 1.1 million LEGAL PERMANENT IMMIGRANTS annually. 87% of them are minorities as defined by the USG. They will become citizens and vote. In 1970 one in 21 was foreign-born; today, it is one in 8, the highest in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. There were 9.7 million foreign-born in 1970 and today it is 41.5 million.

We have just had the two largest decades of legal immigration in our history. Over 27 million legal permanent immigrants entered during the period 1990-2010.


4 posted on 12/13/2014 9:32:06 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

GOP leaders know the enormous threat to our rights and the future of the Republic as we know it...but they still went for it...the likes Boehner and his cronies are absolute scum!


5 posted on 12/13/2014 9:33:27 AM PST by gwgn02
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To: Q-ManRN
Illegals support gun control?

How soon they forget the Magnificent Seven.

6 posted on 12/13/2014 9:36:06 AM PST by MUDDOG
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To: Q-ManRN

I think the poll is shallow - as amnesty plays out, if it plays out, more and more whites will leave the ranks of the gun control group and liberalism altogether.

This has already started. The Democrats are trying to find 10 million new voters - without realizing they may send 20 million of their current voters away.


7 posted on 12/13/2014 9:46:19 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Q-ManRN

Do the illegal immigrants even acknowledge that it was Barack Obama who was gun running arms to the narcoterrorists who they fear in their home country?

Do they think that the corrupt government would be less corrupt/abusive if the citizens there were unarmed?


8 posted on 12/13/2014 9:46:43 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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To: Q-ManRN

Instead of pandering to a liberal agenda, Perhaps Pew should have taken their poll among those of us of Hispanic ancestry here in Texas, especially outside of the anthills-they would have gotten a result that would have sent them scurrying. Frontier rules are the norm here, no matter what your ethnicity might be...


9 posted on 12/13/2014 9:51:31 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Q-ManRN

Go back , where their country didn’t have a Constitution ,they’d be much Happier, Just like in their own Country.

Yeah ,,,Righhhhhhhhhhhht.


10 posted on 12/13/2014 9:58:22 AM PST by chatham
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Take it from one who knows-in Mexico, everyone has guns, in or outside the cities-it is a dangerous place-and the favorite ways to grab illegals here in BFE is when they go to a gun shop-which they do as soon as they find one outside a city...


11 posted on 12/13/2014 9:59:39 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Q-ManRN

For “illegal aliens” think “Mexican citizens”.

Their reason for fearing legal guns goes back to two horrific and bloody civil wars, one at the start of the 19th Century, and the other at the start of the 20th Century.

Going back even further, Mexico and countries south of there suffer from “Old Europe disease”, which still afflicts them today. It is the feudal outlook, that there are only two classes of people: the rich and powerful, and the poor peasants.

This really hurts people and leaves long lasting hatreds.

In Europe it is why dog licenses for large dogs are incredibly expensive, because before, only the rich and powerful could own large dogs.

But back to the point. The only people who could have guns in old Mexico were the wealthy and the banditos, later revolutionaries. And both the government of the wealthy, and the banditos, were utterly savage to the peasants not loyal to them.

Many times, a large group of peasants would be met by men on horseback, who would demand to know who’s side they were on. Any who answered incorrectly would be killed on the spot.

In any event, it resulted in cultural trauma to most Mexicans. And guns are part of the focus to that trauma.

HOWEVER, (and a big however), Mexicans are flexible enough to learn better. While those newly entering the US are still very frightened of things like the murderous drug cartels, once they adapt to the US, and understand that “guns are for the people, not just the ‘masters’, the rich people”, things will change.

This is why gun liberty organizations need to make a serious and extended push to convince Hispanics to join the rest of us as legal gun owners. And for the same reasons that we have guns.

Of course this means Hispanics who are citizens, not illegal aliens. But if the government waves its wand and makes the illegals, legal, then gun rights organizations should be “Johnny on the spot” to teach them about gun rights and liberties. An outreach of enormous size, not just to men, but also to women.

Right now it is a problem, but it soon could be an opportunity. All it takes is to change minds.


12 posted on 12/13/2014 10:03:22 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Q-ManRN

But...but, if we just stick to our guns and keep voting GOP, things will eventually turn around. /s


13 posted on 12/13/2014 10:04:49 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: gwgn02

LEGAL IMMIGRATION will make the Dems the permanent majority party. Amnesty just hastens the process—but not by much. And an amnesty will cost $6.3 trillion.


14 posted on 12/13/2014 10:27:22 AM PST by kabar
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To: Q-ManRN

This is correct. Mexicans in particular are anti-gun.


15 posted on 12/13/2014 10:31:10 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin ( Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you,)
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To: Q-ManRN

You cannot take away our rights by bringing in illegal aliens, unassimilated to America, to vote for your socialist tyrannical state. Any votes after 2014 are, in my view, illegitimate until Americans reinstate the Constitution. At some point, there will have to be a mass exodus, either of Americans or of non-Americans. Some Americans may have to leave, too. We don’t need commies or their enablers, and we don’t need muslims, those who practice that faith. There is a precedent; loyalists had to leave after the Revolution. If we are forced into another similar battle, and win, one consequence will be to redefine who gets to stay. No more traitors.


16 posted on 12/13/2014 10:37:26 AM PST by Defiant (How does a President reverse the actions of a dictator?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I was talking to a gardener who works for my neighbor. I was curious how much he charges, because I am sure he is getting paid cash and contributes nothing to this country. He spoke only Spanish. Anyway, the thing that caught my attention is that he referred to my neighbor as his "patron", an old feudal word that the peasants would use to refer to the lord of the manor or the owner of a factory. I was surprised that he would still feel himself a peasant and that the guy that hired him as an independent contractor to work on his yard is a "patron".

We don't need this in our country. Can you imagine any American at any point in history referring to an employer this way? It's why we are indomitable, or used to be.

17 posted on 12/13/2014 10:42:43 AM PST by Defiant (How does a President reverse the actions of a dictator?)
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To: Defiant

“El patron” means “the boss”. If I hire someone to do yard work, I’m not his boss, I’m his customer. It’s a business transaction, no more that that.

Strange.....


18 posted on 12/13/2014 10:51:37 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Some of these conservative movie producers should do a film about just the history you describe. An epic saga about families of Mexican peasants and their persecution by the elite. It would appeal to their heritage, destroy the guns-are-bad myth and if made well and marketed right could be a hit with the Hispanic community.


19 posted on 12/13/2014 10:52:26 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: kabar

I’ve told people about the million plus LEGAL immigrants admitted into the Unites States per year and people don’t believe it, because, they maintain, our leaders are not that stupid.


20 posted on 12/13/2014 10:55:01 AM PST by odawg
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