Christians have abandoned politics. And millions are DYING because of it.

LifeSiteNews ^ | 12/8/14 | Jonathon van Maren

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...a delicate issue here where theory and principle are seemingly at odds with each other.

Succinct, descriptive, diplomatic, admirable way of putting it!

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Which is exactly why conservatives will continue to lose. We will never agree unlike libs and the name-calling and accusations of “you’re not conservative” or “you’re not a Christian” get tossed around like a salad. It’s gotten to the point where if you dare have a differing opinion, you’ll be accused of being a “troll” or worse.

None of which was evident on this thread.

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Thank you!

I love this place!

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Keep believing that.

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Keep believing that.

Please correct me with the evidence.

You don't seem to like it here at FR very much. Anymore, at least.

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There are at least 4 posts on the thread accusing me of being “not conservative” and “deceived”.

You’re a big boy...go back through the thread and re-read it.

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And NO...I don’t have a 100% commitment to Christ since I’m a sinner, just as you are. Nobody has ever kept a 100% commitment ever.

I don't know if you are being dishonest or if you sincerely believe that nonsense.

However, this I do know, you are purposefully hiding behind the excuse that you and I are a sinners to try and excuse a PURPOSEFUL CHOICE on your part to do what you know displeases Christ.

Furthermore, You, with your declaration that you have some type of excuse for choosing to sin, are (at best) living in Chapter 7 of Romans, not where God wants you to live, which is Chapter 8, where the Apostle Paul states:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Furthermore, God himself said to be Holy as he is Holy.

You need to quit hiding behind the excuse that you are a sinner for purposefully choosing to sin and "Be Holy as He is Holy".

Your relationship with Christ, such as it is and evidenced by your works as you have stated on this thread, shows it is not much of a relationship, and more like what you think religion should be, giving you excuses for doing what you know is wrong.

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Are you Pentecostal?

I’m not going to have a discussion with somebody who believes in a works-based salvation.

And you attempting to judge somebody you have never met is quite telling also.

1 John 1:8 says you’re full of it! I’m done....

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You’re a big boy...go back through the thread and re-read it.

You are correct. I didn't see the fuller extent of how folks including myself were responding to you until I re-read the posts. You have every reason not to like it here.

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1 John 1:8 says you’re full of it! I’m done....

The Verses just before the one you quoted make it very clear that if you choose to sin, which you have confessed to on this thread, then you do not have fellowship with him. If you do not have fellowship with him, you are no longer born again, if you are no longer born again, you cannot claim the name of Christ until you repent.

I John 1:6-7
6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Christ did not come to simply forgive you of your sins and leave you in your sins, he came to forgive you of your sins and give you the power over your sins.

Your understanding of what it means to be a Christian is flawed.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

And no, I am not a Pentecostal, but I am a Born-Again Christian, a sinner, saved by Grace whom God has given forgiveness and liberty from my sin as explained by Paul in Chapter 8 of Romans.

Don't live in Chapter 7 of Romans, when you can live in Chapter 8.

Also, quit giving yourself an excuse for CHOOSING to sin, when you have the choice to NOT SIN.

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1 John 1:8 says you’re full of it! I’m done....

Furthermore, the verse you have quoted is not in the present tense, but truly in the past-tense if taken in context of the verse just before it and immediately after it, which I now post:

9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Pay close attention to the "cleanse us from all unrighteousness", it means he changes our heart, giving us the ability to obey him and stop sinning.

You've only accepted part of the Gospel promise, and have as yet to accept the part that gives you victory over your sinning.

Accepting this part will take all of your faith to truly believe the Gospel and believe that God truly is All Powerful, All Knowing, Perfect and Righteous in all of his works.

It will also require you to step out in faith, all by yourself, and take the narrow path.

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This article proceeds from a false premise: that Christians can have much of a positive impact in the electoral sphere as it is currently constituted. I think many Christians are wising up and shaking the dust from their sandals. Hence this article.

Results matter, and the net result of a generation of political activity on the part of Christian conservatives has resulted in...not much. The millions if not billions of dollars and millions of manhours spent have resulted in, well, what we have today. And now this author wants Christians to continue to spend time, sweat, and treasure to get more of the same?

I think we need look no further than abortion to see exactly what political involvement gets Christians over time. After 41 years, with some very minor exceptions, abortion is just as legal as it was in 1973. And while thankfully the abortion rate is going down, can it really be said that its related to politics? Or rather is it the result of ultrasounds, changes in the underlying culture, and a sort of horrible compounding where the culture of death has already wiped out its own progeny? In my opinion,

Christians who care about social conservatism and life would be far better served to pray and hold fundraisers to buy ultrasound machines than to waste time and resources on politics.

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I actually enjoy it—cheers!

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I actually enjoy it—cheers!

Your posts frequently betray you.

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So not only do you believe in a works based salvation—you also believe that you CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION!

WOW! Amazing that a professed Born-Again “christian” can even think that, much less say it.

Face it, everybody sins...daily! You do well to quote Romans 7, because till the day Paul was executed he was the living embodiment of it as we all are. (Rom 7:15) I am never going to make excuses for sinning, I am deeply sorry for it because it wounds Christ (as you should be too when you sin daily). Flesh will sin.

What does 1 John 1:9 say? I confess daily because I’m not a boaster like you (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Again, you lie....1 John 1:8 calls you out and do I call you out. I am saved and Permanently SEALED with the Holy Spirit per John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10, and John 14:6. Nothing can take me from His Palm (Romans 8:38-39 & John 6:37)-—it’s a shame you believe otherwise really.

I will rest on God’s word, not yours or anybody else’s. Cheers!

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And yours make about as much sense as schizophrenic on cocaine.

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And yours make about as much sense as schizophrenic on cocaine.

Nice one. But it's a lie.

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Call it what you want, I don’t give a rip.

I’m done conversing with losers who vote 3rd parties and sit behind their keyboards bitching about how corrupt our political system is, and how the elitists choose for us, and how this person isn’t “conservative” enough.

You keep yourselves out of the game by having a mind about as narrow as a rail and calling those who would be your natural allies “faux conservatives”.
Step into reality. This nation will never ever again elect a conservative if we fight bitterly among ourselves over who we think the “Perfect Candidate” is. Save your ammo for libs, agitating somebody like me who agrees with probably 80-85% of what you think/believe isn’t going to get us anywhere.

Like I said earlier, my real Hope is in Christ anyways. What happens to this nation is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

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What happens to this nation is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

My family disagrees with you.

You become agitated too quickly. The longer you are a poster on FR, the more you will learn about how to make your points successfully without getting perturbed. Give it a full year at FR, instead part of one.

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I know your family disagrees—oh well!

Maybe after a year you’ll like me who knows?