Posted on 12/05/2014 4:11:33 AM PST by Kaslin
... and these cigarettes are classified as potentially part of “money laundering” which is a massive focus since 9/11. I probably take 3 or 4 tests a year on thwarting money laundering as an anti-terrorist endeavors.
You are correct. The standard for a grand jury is not “reasonable doubt” but rather “probable cause”. Is there probable cause that a criminal action has been committed? They are not supposed to consider the probability of a conviction at trial.
THANK you.
As most of us know, when something like this happens, all you get are media soundbytes until the factual information slowly trickles out. Everything I'd seen ranged from he was minding his own business to he was breaking up a fight, neither of which would warrant an arrest...
But if he was causing the problem, THAT would be a totally different kettle of fish.
You will get no arguement from me on any of that and I have no reason to believe that it would have gone down any differently had Garner been while. I don't think it was a racial issuse, I think was only an excessive force issue.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
"Along Comes" is the key to this article and many others. We are being fed a train of pablum, Ferguson, Garner... while the country goes to hell. OK, lets take a timeout from $18 Trillion in Debt, a MØnarch in power, porous border and opening the gates for MUCH more with handouts, Middle east going caliphate with Ø's help, and so on....
The police didn't just come across Eric Garner loitering on a street corner and accost him for some silly reason. Nor did they even come across him and try to arrest him for an outstanding warrant of some kind. The police were called to the scene specifically to deal with him. And despite the unfortunate way this situation ended, anyone who looks at it objectively would have to admit that Garner was basically a useless oaf with a lengthy criminal history and a medical file that might be more typical of someone who was 30 years older than him.
“He has been arrested 27 times since 2009 for offenses ranging from fare evasion and pot possession to a robbery in May. He was also busted twice for gun possession and in January 2013 he was charged with menacing with a gun.
Reached at her Tompkinsville home, Lekaj insisted she too was innocent and that Orta - a man she claims to barely know - gave her the gun.”
Does that sound like trumped up charges to you? Orta’s wife is also up on charges for beating up someone.
Yes, if any cop gets indicted for this then the black female sergeant who was there needs to be indicted because she supervised and approved all of the cops’ actions.
FAIL.
Can't do it. Dey gotta union.
“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”-- Ayn Rand
As someone else replied, he had a lack of common sense. If one is arrested multiple times for the same activity in the same place, then stop doing that activity in that place. I'm not advocating that he conduct illegal activity, but if he is going to continue that activity, at least move it to another location. Surely, there are other locations where one can find cigarette smokers.
I agree.
That is not a bad solution to the race hate and “don’t snitch” game.
Did you see the video of the encounter and subsequent takedown? The guy was balky, not violent or going for the equivalent of a high speed evasion. There were 3 cops on him and once he was prostrate, he wasn't going anywhere. If it was one of your family members, you might expect them to use a bit more due diligence and be a bit more attentive if that member indicated physical distress.
I'm all for cops doing their job and exerting lethal force when appropriate, but there are far too many cowboys out there that absolutely insist on proving their manhood to the detriment of the health of folks that should never have to be killed for the situation.
I have not watched the video (I have no desire to), and for that reason I don’t even have an opinion on the current subject at hand. My comment to you was merely to note, from what I’ve read on the subject, that it wasn’t the selling of cigarettes that precipitated the takedown, but the resisting of arrest. The point I inferred from your comment about “26 in a 25 zone” was trying to frame the issue in terms of the cigarettes (a petty offense), rather than in terms of the resisting arrest (perhaps I was mistaken in your intent).
No offense intended, but I put comments that try to frame the issue as being about the selling of cigarettes in the same category as the rebuttal during the Clinton years that sex was not an impeachable offense. One can debate whether lying (about sex) under oath was an impeachable offense or not, but don’t put up a strawman that it’s all about sex. Likewise, in the current case, the debate should center over an appropriate use of police force when resistance to arrest is offered. To me, the cigarette thing is a bit of obfuscation.
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