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To: chris37

Well, those are sports chokeholds, but we should be looking at the holds that law enforcement commonly uses. Here is some info from an article that is specifically about the NYC ban:

“In 1980, under the threat of several lawsuits, Los Angeles banned the use of one especially lethal choke hold — called the bar-arm hold, which cuts off the air supply by crushing the larynx — and many large police departments followed suit, Professor Fyfe said. In many cases, the departments also banned or restricted use of a less dangerous hold, the carotid hold, which compresses the carotid arteries in the neck and temporarily cuts off blood to the brain.”

“Chief Timoney said the city policy specifically did not distinguish between various types of holds, but rather banned them categorically. It also prohibited other restraints or tactics — like standing on a suspect’s chest or transporting a suspect in a face-down position — which might impede breathing.

“Basically, stay the hell away from the neck,” he said. “That’s what it says.””

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/24/nyregion/kelly-bans-choke-holds-by-officers.html

So, the use of the forearm pressed against the larynx, even if it didn’t meet a proper MMA form, still would violate the policy as explained by the former Chief. According to this Handbook of Forensic Pathology, it would seem to qualify as a “bar arm chokehold”:

http://books.google.com/books?id=4VkXpNe9xLoC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=bar-arm+choke+hold&source=bl&ots=kTxPvvfNTn&sig=l0sfZWBUOBdp2sfFoRop8Hxn0VQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7AOAVPrHF8r9yQT0wIDABw&ved=0CHAQ6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q=bar-arm%20choke%20hold&f=false";


133 posted on 12/03/2014 10:55:17 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

It took a bunch of Cops to bring down an almost 400 pound man. Not a child, a full grown and then some man mountain king. He was huge. And he didn’t die until later at the hospital. So it wasn’t from lack of air, asthma, at least not at the time of the incident My guess is from a heart attack because of his size, asthma, diabetes and obesity later on at the hospital.

There is proximtion to the incident with the Cops, but only that, as he died later, and it wasn’t from any compression to his neck area at the time of the incident itself. And it wasn’t the first incident Cops had with this guy. There were 31 prior incidents, 9 for selling ciggies. I’m on the Cop’s side. This was no “child” as the Black defenders on TV are saying. All Black “victims” are “children” to these commentators. Plus they are all lying and saying “illegal chokehold” when it’s not illegal as in criminality, just a police dept. rule. Once again, lots of lies being given out to serve the meme that this is racism and illegality on the part of the Cops. Makes me sick.


136 posted on 12/03/2014 11:00:03 PM PST by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: Boogieman

Maybe it did violate policy.

Did it kill the dude?

Nope.

Did an autopsy reveal a crushed larynx?

Don’t think so.

Grand jury saw the evidence.

It’s takes 12/23 to indict.

No true bill.


143 posted on 12/03/2014 11:15:11 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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