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Legal Pot In The U.S. May Be Undercutting Mexican Marijuana
NPR ^ | December 01, 2014 | John Burnett

Posted on 12/03/2014 12:03:43 PM PST by ConservingFreedom

Made-in-America marijuana is on a roll. More than half the states have now voted to permit pot for recreational or medical use, most recently Oregon and Alaska. That number also includes the District of Columbia. As a result, Americans appear to be buying more domestic marijuana, which in turn is undercutting growers and cartels in Mexico.

"Two or three years ago, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of marijuana was worth $60 to $90," says Nabor, a 24-year-old pot grower in the northwestern Mexican state of Sinaloa. "But now they're paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It's a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they'll run us into the ground."

Nabor declines to give his surname because his crop is illegal. The interview takes place on a hillside outside Culiacan, Sinaloa, located in Mexico's marijuana heartland. We stand next to a field of knee-high cannabis plants, their serrated leaves quivering in a warm Pacific breeze. The plot is on communal land next to rows of edible nopal cactus.

He kneels and proudly shows me the resinous buds on the short, stocky plants. This strain, called Chronic, is a favorite among growers for its easy cultivation, fast flowering and mood-lifting high. Nabor, who says he has grown marijuana since he was 14, says the plants do not belong to him.

"My patrón pays me $150 a month, but I have to plant it exactly the way he wants," he says. "He provides the water pump, gasoline, irrigation hoses, fertilizer, everything."

An Army Of Small-Scale Growers

There's an image of Mexican traffickers with shiny pickups, fancy boots and shapely girlfriends. But Nabor says most people who grow marijuana for the Sinaloa cartel are just campesinos like him.

He drives a motorcycle, and supports a wife and two kids. He says he grows pot to supplement his other work, which consists of collecting firewood and raising cactus. He says everybody plants a little marijuana here. Marijuana plants in Culiacan, Sinaloa, in Mexico's marijuana heartland. Prices are about half of what they were a few years ago, according to some growers.

"This is dangerous work to cultivate it and to sell it. If the army comes, you have to run or they'll grab you. Look here, we're only getting $40 a kilo. The day we get $20 a kilo, it will get to the point that we just won't plant marijuana anymore."

The slumping economics of Mexican marijuana was not unexpected.

Two years ago, the Mexican Institute of Competitiveness, in a study titled "If Our Neighbors Legalize," predicted the drug cartels would see their cannabis profits plummet 22 to 30 percent if the United States continued to decriminalize marijuana.

At one time, virtually all the weed smoked in the States, from Acapulco Gold to Colombian Red, came from south of the border.

Not anymore.

"We're still seeing marijuana. But it's almost all the homegrown stuff here from the States and from Canada. It's just not the compressed marijuana from Mexico that we see," says Lt. David Socha, of the Austin Police Department narcotics section.

Socha's observation is confirmed by the venerable journal of the marijuana culture, High Times Magazine.

"American pot smokers prefer American domestically grown marijuana to Mexican grown marijuana. We've seen a ton of evidence of this in the last decade or so," says Daniel Vinkovetsky, who writes under the pen name Danny Danko. He is senior cultivation editor at High Times and author of The Official High Times Field Guide to Marijuana Strains.

U.S. domestic marijuana, some of it cultivated in high-tech greenhouses, is three or four times more expensive than Mexican marijuana. Vinkovetsky says prices for Mexican weed continue to slide because it's so much weaker.

He says American cannabis typically has 10 to 20 percent THC — the ingredient that makes a person high — whereas the THC content of so-called Mexican brickweed is typically 3 to 8 percent.

"Mexican marijuana is considered to be of poor quality generally because it's grown in bulk, outdoors; it's typically dried but not really cured, which is something we do here in the U.S. with connoisseur-quality cannabis," he says. "And it's also bricked up, meaning that it's compressed, for sale and packaging and in order to get it over the border efficiently."

Reversing The Flow

To service the U.S. market, police agencies report some Mexican crime groups grow marijuana in public lands in the West.

And there's a new intriguing development.

DEA spokesman Lawrence Payne tells NPR that Sinaloa operatives in the United States are reportedly buying high-potency American marijuana in Colorado and smuggling it back into Mexico for sale to high-paying customers.

"It makes sense," Payne says. "We know the cartels are already smuggling cash into Mexico. If you can buy some really high-quality weed here, why not smuggle it south, too, and sell it at a premium?"

The big question is whether the loss of market share is actually hurting the violent Mexican drug mafias.

"The Sinaloa cartel has demonstrated in many instances that it can adapt. I think it's in a process of redefinition toward marijuana," says Javier Valdez, a respected journalist and author who writes books on the narcoculture in Sinaloa.

Valdez says he's heard through the grapevine that marijuana planting has dropped 30 percent in the mountains of Sinaloa. But he says the Sinaloa cartel is old school — it sticks to drugs, even as other cartels, such as the Zetas of Tamaulipas state, have branched out into kidnapping and extortion.

"I believe that now, because of the changes they're having to make because of marijuana legalization in the U.S., the cartel is pushing more cocaine, meth and heroin. They're diversifying," Valdez says.

Back in the hills above Culiacan, Nabor is asked, if prices for marijuana continue declining, what will he do?

"My dream is to get a good job, a regular job," he says, "where I don't have to do such dangerous work; a job that pays me a living wage."

When the interview is over, and the recorder is turned off, and we're about to drive back to the highway, Nabor quietly says he thinks he's done with marijuana. He's considering planting opium poppies, because that's where the market is going.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bust; cannabis; marijuana; pot; wod
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To: ConservingFreedom

There’s no pro-criminalization side.

It was criminalized decades before I (or you) were born.

It was criminalized because it is harmful to individuals and to society.

Our current state of affairs is exhibit A regarding it’s harmfulness.

Decriminalization based on widespread use is also a symptom of the societal pathology we have.

It’s funny. All the crazy (supposedly) anti-drug propaganda we were told to laugh at, and did, was true.

It’s sad what has happened to this country in huge part due to marijuana use.


61 posted on 12/03/2014 2:08:25 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

If enough public employees will help with their lobbies to eradicate the drug slavery, I’ll stop pushing against debt/revenues for state and local governments. Otherwise, we, who’ve had our families violated and fired upon by pushers with support from the officious will solve the problem ourselves in due time.


62 posted on 12/03/2014 2:10:13 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Mr. K

“when i was a kid it was $5 a nickel-bag (1/4 oz) now it is like $100 or something ridiculous (don’t know, haven’t bought it in 20 years”

What?

It’s was $30 an eighth Oz in the 80’s.

It’s not much more than that now from what I hear.


63 posted on 12/03/2014 2:10:17 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
"It’s not much more than that now from what I hear."

It's way more than that. The local boss hogs, influential constituents and pillars of the community that they are, are also the most influential customers of pushers--something to consider.

"Arrest my son, and I'll have to discipline you!" --a local boss hog, long ago, who had the top administrators of the PD in his pocket


64 posted on 12/03/2014 2:18:28 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
With 'street committees' and 're-education'

Apparently, you are against the freedoms of speech and assembly

You think communist China's 'street committees' and 're-education' were about "freedom of speech and assembly"?! LOL! Educate yourself.

65 posted on 12/03/2014 2:21:51 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ifinnegan
That’ll lower retail prices and thus the amount of crime committed in order to pay those prices - another piece of good news.

Dope Head logic.

No, basic economics.

66 posted on 12/03/2014 2:22:45 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: indthkr
As his link shows, the Chinese solution was "street committees" and "re-education" - that is, communism. Is that what you're advocating for the United States of America?

I'm advocating sobriety via due process.

Sounds like the obfuscatory rhetoric of the left - what in practice would it mean?

I'm also advocating draconian "controls" on individuals or enterprises (including governments) that enable and profit from the production and sale of products whose sole purpose is mind-altering recreation.

Like alcohol?

67 posted on 12/03/2014 2:24:27 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ifinnegan
There’s no pro-criminalization side.

It was criminalized decades before I (or you) were born.

And the people who want to retain that criminalization are pro-criminalization, your strange word games notwithstanding.

68 posted on 12/03/2014 2:26:52 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: qam1

“Once the cigarette companies enter the pot market, the Liberals will quickly change and again be against legalization of pot. “

No they won’t.

Liberals need dope heads. No one else believes their nonsense.


69 posted on 12/03/2014 2:34:30 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ConservingFreedom

Legal marijuana for Gods sake. Or bring back alcohol prohibition.


70 posted on 12/03/2014 2:35:06 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: familyop

How much for an eighth ounce?


71 posted on 12/03/2014 2:35:37 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: greene66

Oh get off it.


72 posted on 12/03/2014 2:36:07 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Your funny in your hippie logic and propaganda.

Have you ever even smoked pot?


73 posted on 12/03/2014 2:37:40 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
That’ll lower retail prices and thus the amount of crime committed in order to pay those prices - another piece of good news.

Dope Head logic.

No, basic economics.

Your funny in your hippie logic and propaganda.

You're projecting - you're the one with a hippie's ignorance of basic economics and reliance on unsupported propaganda.

Have you ever even smoked pot?

Decades ago. Why?

74 posted on 12/03/2014 2:40:40 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ifinnegan

I haven’t bought or smoked weed in at least thirty years. I can remember and ounce being about $100 bucks. Couldn’t image what it is now.


75 posted on 12/03/2014 2:41:28 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: ifinnegan

It depends on the type. Anywhere from $35 to $75.(roughly)


76 posted on 12/03/2014 2:43:52 PM PST by EEGator
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To: ifinnegan

I don’t know about an eighth. Over the past few years, some of the local young hipsters in this locale said $100 per 1/4.


77 posted on 12/03/2014 3:17:44 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: ifinnegan

Back during the ‘90s, users in one part of the Midwest said about $40 per 1/4.


78 posted on 12/03/2014 3:19:35 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: ifinnegan

Early ‘90s.


79 posted on 12/03/2014 3:20:02 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
The PLA may take some credit for it, but it was obviously a grass roots effort actually carried out by the peasantry from the bottom, up. There were many millions of addicts, and most people had suffered from it for too long.

"How China got rid of opium"
Copyright Society for Anglo-Chinese Understanding (SACU) 2006 reprinted from SACU's magazine China Now 70, Page 17, March 1977
Excerpt:
By this time, there were literally millions of addicts in the country. The new government immediately set about coping with the monumental problem. Peasants were persuaded to plough in their opium crops and sow wheat or rice instead. Neighbourhoods were mobilised in a massive educational programme. The street committees which governed the neighbourhoods held study groups in which the evils of opium and heroin were discussed. Families of known addicts were educated not to blame their addict members, but to encourage them to seek help. Addicts themselves were impressed by the fact that they were not blamed for their addiction, since they were considered victims of foreign governments and other enemies of the people. After their cure, they were given training and then placed in paying jobs. Many of them were hired by the government to work with other addicts.
At the same time, pressure was placed on the dealers. Those who surrendered were accepted by the community, re-educated, trained for meaningful work and given jobs. The rest were packed off to prison, and the worst offenders were executed. By 1956, the People's Republic of China had virtually eliminated its drug problem.



80 posted on 12/03/2014 3:43:03 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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