That is footage of Gruber appearing for the first time in public over this newly discovered content. IMHO Gruber is not properly interviewed by MSNBC. He is actually spoonfed excuses and softball questions by the MSNBC interviewer, Ronan Farrow. No one appears to have been invited by MSNBC to present any opposing point of view. Hence, MSNBC is unreliable as a news source and can be counted upon only if one is looking for propaganda.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda
propaganda, n
ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.
It blows my mind that months after the first controversial Gruber Obamacare comment surfaces, another comment surfaces, and it is found by an amateur investigator over the Internet (which coincidentally Obama now proposes to tax heavily)— not by any MSM journalist.
(And I was perhaps being “inappropriate” in the use of “coincidentally” above.)