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Posted on 11/07/2014 10:59:44 AM PST by PJ-Comix
The Supreme Court on Friday agreed to take up a new challenge to the Affordable Care Act, a move that will again thrust the law into a high-profile battle before the high court.
The Supreme Court's move is somewhat surprising, considering there is still no split in the lower, circuit courts. But the high court agreed to King v. Burwell, a case in which the Fourth Circuit court upheld an IRS rule that extends the distribution of health insurance subsidies to states served by the federal insurance marketplace.
The challenge to the law is viewed as having the potential to cripple Obamacare in the 36 states where the federal government provides subsidies for low-income people to buy health insurance.
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Or better yet, uphold the power to tax...for those things enumerated as Powers in the Constitution that should be paid. ‘Healthcare’ not being in that list; at least not in MY version.
Yeah, pipe dream, I know.
Almost everything Einstein ever did was an approximation and a thought experiment. In many cases he left it to others to work out the tedious details. Engineers get a false sense of security with the idea that more digits=more accuracy. It often isn’t, of course.
Purchasing “medical insurance” is not the same as purchasing “healthcare”, as multiple millions of people already knew, and multiple more millions will soon find out.
I thank God I live in one of the 36 states that did not cow to the illegal antics of an insane 100% deranged Democrat Federal government led (Pelosi/Reid/Obama) attempt to controll all healthcare delivery in this nation!
The delays of implementation were illegal.
Any attempts by the IRS to recoup the “illegal subsidies” they have already paid to Insurance companies from individual taxpayers will be declared illegal.
The Insurance companies that played for pay will find themselves up on RICO charges.
It's going to be a very messy fix to a very messy problem.
My advice to anyone who files individual Federal income tax returns is to apply for a filing extension on January 1, 2015, then sit back with some popcorn and watch the show!
No the Roberts’ adopted children are in their early teens-still able to be blackmailed.
Obviously. But some are detailed oriented and some are not. Depends what you enjoy and there’s no need to put others down over it or feel superior. Both are needed.
“It’s going to be a very messy fix to a very messy problem.”
No kidding! This could create a split in the nation, with subsidy states and nonsubsidy states. The mandate will have to be out the window -someone making $20k can’t afford an Obamacare policy nor pay the increasing penalty. They’ll have to let that go. The thing will just collapse under its own weight.
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Questioner: You mentioned the health-information Exchanges for the states, and it is my understanding that if states don’t provide them, then the federal government will provide them for the states.
Gruber: Yeah, so these health-insurance Exchanges, you can go on ma.healthconnector.org and see ours in Massachusetts, will be these new shopping places and they’ll be the place that people go to get their subsidies for health insurance. In the law, it says if the states don’t provide them, the federal backstop will. The federal government has been sort of slow in putting out its backstop, I think partly because they want to sort of squeeze the states to do it. I think what’s important to remember politically about this, is if you’re a state and you don’t set up an Exchange, that means your citizens don’t get their tax credits. But your citizens still pay the taxes that support this bill. So you’re essentially saying to your citizens, you’re going to pay all the taxes to help all the other states in the country. I hope that’s a blatant enough political reality that states will get their act together and realize there are billions of dollars at stake here in setting up these Exchanges, and that they’ll do it. But you know, once again, the politics can get ugly around this.
You were correct. It took my breath away. These people are pure fascists. And they feel perfectly safe saying what they say.
It is certainly interesting that most observers thought SCOTUS would either hear or decline to hear King the week before.
But on Monday the court did not include King on the list of accepted cases, and the ACA fans cheered.
But Monday afternoon the court noted on the docket that King would be discussed in conference on Friday (yesterday).
Then they went ahead and broke tradition and announced they would hear King on the same day of the conference instead of waiting until Monday to announce.
Somehow I tend to think the court wanted to see what happened Tuesday before they considered whether to take this case.
FWIW, I think common usage of “order of magnitude” means x10 (times ten), so your original was off by six orders of magnitude.
Scientists, on the other hand ...
There is that old joke about an engineer and a girl getting closer to each other in steps, "by half." The engineer gets close enough for all practical purposes. The scientist never gets there.
GIven the time required to get to an opinion, I suspect it will be June. Cases heard this past week were granted cert last March-May, toward the very end of the Oct 2013 term.
Attorneys have to have time to prepare their arguments, then present them. The Justices (and their Clerks) have to review/analyze, draft and circulate their proposed opinion(s)/dissent(s), and sign off on their final opinion(s)/dissent(s).
The last hearings of this Oct 2014 term will be the end of April 2015, and the term ends in June.. I looked over some of the opinions from last June (9); 3 were argued in January,1 in March and 5 in April.
This is just what I imagine will happen.
Yes, it was specifically six orders of magnitude; I called it an “order of magnitude error” (the magnitude was at error) and not “an error of an order of magnitude” (the size of the error).
“Up until pretty recently, engineering math was done on slide rules, which are limited in the number of significant digits.”
Must be a matter of one’s frame of reference ;). I took engineering classes from 1980-1984, and there wasn’t a sliderule to be seen. We even did some programming, but in my freshman year, we were using punch cards.
However, we did use slide rules in high school chemistry.
I guess that does show how quickly things changed back then.
And good observation on the significant digits using a slide rule.
Not many years later, the curriculum required use of a personal computer. Makes sense, since that's the tool of choice. One thing about working with slide rule, the "order of magnitude" has to be kept someplace other than on the "calculator," and one developed a sense of order of magnitude of many attributes.
You never know, but I don’t think that would be a good reason to overturn it. The fact is the House passed the bill, which is tantamount to approving its origin regardless of where it actually originated. This kind of logic also applies to continuing resolutions and the War Powers Act resolutions giving the President authority to move troops in a hostile manner without a formal declaration of war. You could argue that technically these are wrong, but since the power to stop it resides with the body that approved it the point is mute. If Roberts wanted to stop the bill he could have. He did not need to let it drag out for years and years just to use another pretext to stop it.
They have to violate their own law, because this is not the law they wanted. It was just the only law they could get passed. If they waited longer to fix these things they would have lost their majority and it would have been filibustered in the Scott Brown Senate. From a political standpoint the only thing they could do is pass this bill and then spend the next years using agencies to interpret it as they wish hoping that it will become so important to people that undoing it would be politically impossible.
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