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GOP Congress to weigh legal pot in DC
Associated Press ^ | Nov 5, 2014 5:55 PM EST | Ben Nuckols

Posted on 11/05/2014 10:01:46 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Vaquero
Most folks don’t drink themselves to death in one binge.

Most folks who use MJ don't turn into chronic abusers either, but polarizing absolutes and anecdotal worst case scenarios are the protocol for discussion of drug laws.

81 posted on 11/06/2014 10:01:15 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Tobacco is only a plant and you see what has happened to it.


82 posted on 11/06/2014 10:02:23 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Vaquero
the long term effects of psychedelics can be from just a few or even one experience...

Marijuana is not a psychedelic.

83 posted on 11/06/2014 10:02:34 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

How do you reconcile the Constitutional right to freedom of religion with the First Commandment? You can’t have both.


84 posted on 11/06/2014 10:05:30 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: PieterCasparzen

It is wonderful to know that you are given to self-discipline and serve as an example. I suspect there are many who look at this issue in similar fashion, and yet question whether public policy as it stands is the best way to deal with creation.

I think it is a good point and question to consider: whether mind-altering substances, and using them as a way to self-medicate (from coffee to LSD) constitutes ipso facto in each and every case, an abomination in the sight of God. Christ Jesus explicitly tells the Pharisees: “It is not what enters the body that defiles a man, but what comes out of his heart.”

What we are dealing with are substances that may increase the amount and quality of uncleanliness that comes out of the heart, but then consider this: we have chosen to bind people consciences to thoughts and substances that in many cases the Word of God is silent about. Why should there be a biblical prohibition against seeing a misty field in a way that enhances its beauty? “Wine gladdens the heart of man.” This was not written in condemnation of wine, but in praise of it!


85 posted on 11/06/2014 10:05:55 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Can you see that coffee is food and LSD is not food ?


86 posted on 11/06/2014 10:11:54 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

87 posted on 11/06/2014 10:16:13 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Then why are the Colorado guys talking so much over lack of profits? I’ve read three articles over past two months about actual storefront owners...each talking of the initial rush, the current trend, and questions now over the marginal profit. Have they put too much into the storefront, or just employing too people? Each guy comes around to talking over taxation.


88 posted on 11/06/2014 10:19:37 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: AppyPappy

Yes. The same is likely to happen with cannabis.


89 posted on 11/06/2014 10:20:53 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: pepsionice; Bubba Ho-Tep
Then why are the Colorado guys talking so much over lack of profits?

No contradiction there - legalization is bad for profit margins but good for customers, and the customer calls the shots.

90 posted on 11/06/2014 10:23:44 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I am fully aware of the distinctions and similarities between the two, and hold that we are largely arbitrary in assigning some levels moral weight when it comes to what we put into our bodies. The question is the manner and degree to which these substances effect our thoughts and behavior; whether they are the cause, or whether perhaps there is a condition residing within heart, body and mind that screws everything up, no matter what we imbibe or refrain from imbibing.


91 posted on 11/06/2014 11:02:56 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: pepsionice

Colorado also has a system set up where recreational sales are taxed higher than medical sales, and most of the people who were regular consumers had a medical card already, so they’re continuing to buy that way. That’s why the taxation is an issue.


92 posted on 11/06/2014 11:11:57 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: tacticalogic

This is part of where the Constitution is unscriptural.

Biblically there is the concept of a head of household converting, today that would mean a man with a family. Naysayers then point out that the wife and children then are “forcibly converted”, which is a lie, the Bible does not say this. They are simply under the authority of, in the Old Testament, a Jewish household, in the New Testament, a Christian household.

Conversion has a very specific meaning, that of being born again, accepting Christ as Lord and Savior, being saved by the Grace of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Conversion, becoming a true believer, simply does not take place by force or coercion. The Bible is quite clear on this; a true profession of faith must be completely voluntarily made.

Therefore, a forced profession of faith, is unscriptural in a Christian nation.

A national Covenant with God is not between individuals and God, but between a nation and God. It is undertaken by the the duly constituted government of a nation, involving the body corporate, the nation as a whole.

If we carefully and honestly review the Old Testament as it developed, we find ancient Israel in one aspect an archetype of the Church, having its governing priesthood, and in another an archetype of the civil government, headed by a King. We find clear directions on how the Israelites were to treat non-Israelites within their civil society, that is, the moral laws of God were to be followed by all men, both Israelite and “stranger”. Murder was a civil crime, so was theft, rape, etc. And it worked both ways - strangers were actually supposed to be treated with great fairness and kindness. If one actually studies the details of the text, one will find the intent to be that strangers would have good experiences living within the Jewish nation and thus God would be glorified and strangers would be attracted to convert. The Church part of the nation was different, however; generally only the Jews were subject to laws having to do with the postive directions given to the Church. The strangers were stricly regarded as outsiders in those matters, e.g., a stranger could not make sacrifices. Those outside the Church were heathens and pagans thus were unclean, even Jews had to cleanse themselves as directed before they could make sacrifices. However, strangers were still forbidden from breaking the core negative commands, like not blaspheming. In other words, if strangers observed a minimum of morals and decency, they could live well in that nation. Interestingly, being an Israelite was not exclusively by blood, as people could convert. But the Old Testament does not permit forced conversions. Of course, the New Testamant continues the same principle, that forced conversions are of no effect. And it also clearly guides Christians that they are to pursue Christ’s Kingdom on earth, that is, Christian nations over which Christ has dominion, though they will encounter trememdous opposition.

The Enlightenment “thinkers” were quite aware of the strife of the Reformation in the UK, that is, England, Scotland and Ireland, as well as on the Continent. The evil financial elites who were the powers and financiers of the Enlightenment thus knew this could be used to get “openness” introduced into the Constitution, planting a seed that would eventually bear evil fruit - because their defintion of openness would be ever so subtley too minimalist. Only a tiny bit of influence was needed because the Constutional convention was such a small group of men. Instead of saying any “Christian” religion, and then having to reconcile and deal with the different denominations, they cast the struggles of the Reformation in the UK as primarily a political struggle, and in the short time they had they simply let it go at that; just quickly write it, rush it through and vote on it. So they let the “Christian” part be “implied”. And America was the proud, unsuspecting owner of a founding document that formally institutionalized Satanic worship just as well as it did worship of the one true Living God.

Biblical freedom of religion expressed in civil law is therefore liberty of conscience, that is, no forced conversions. But it also would include prohibitions on the spreading of false religion.

The civil government and Church spheres of authority and responsibility are different if implemented Scripturally; they each have their own areas where they have authority and the other does not. And at the same time, they can both exhort each other to do their job better. The Scottish Reformation offers a great topic to study to explore the issues related to this concept, having had both success and failure. Men have given their lives in support of the true, godly relationship between the civil government and Christ’s Church.


93 posted on 11/06/2014 11:15:03 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: pepsionice

Also, a lot of people rush into a new business opportunity expecting instant riches, only to find out that it’s hard work to actually make a business a success in a competitive market.


94 posted on 11/06/2014 11:15:19 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes it is. eat a few brownies made with modern genetically improved cannabis and you’ll take a trip that will rival LSD.


95 posted on 11/06/2014 11:16:31 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

You could put rat poison in chocolate, it would not make the rat poison food.


96 posted on 11/06/2014 11:16:38 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I am fully aware of the distinctions and similarities between the two, and hold that we are largely arbitrary in assigning some levels moral weight when it comes to what we put into our bodies. The question is the manner and degree to which these substances effect our thoughts and behavior; whether they are the cause, or whether perhaps there is a condition residing within heart, body and mind that screws everything up, no matter what we imbibe or refrain from imbibing.

LSD ?

LSD is highly destructive, there is no logical point to consuming it in any quantity.
97 posted on 11/06/2014 11:20:19 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Likewise, caffeine - the original topic - is not food by virtue of its presence in coffee (from which it can be extracted). So caffeine is a drug ... a stimulant, in the same family as cocaine and meth, rather than a depressant like alcohol or heroin.
98 posted on 11/06/2014 11:34:10 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Vaquero

Do you speak from personal experience, or is this just something you heard ?


99 posted on 11/06/2014 11:54:21 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions10.html


100 posted on 11/06/2014 11:57:28 AM PST by tacticalogic
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