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To: betty boop
where does it say that Christians are helpless against this onslaught on traditional character formation and the future well-being of our children? Where does it say we cannot push back whenever we can, wherever we stand? Where are the "warriors" of — and for —Christ?

As we have said many times: Build the culture you want to live in. Don't wait for the culture to reform itself, don't wait for the government to change directions, don't wait for anyone else to give you permission to do anything. Build the culture you want to live in and do it yourself.

1,787 posted on 11/19/2014 12:02:15 PM PST by marron
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To: marron; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; metmom; xzins; YHAOS
Build the culture you want to live in. Don't wait for the culture to reform itself, don't wait for the government to change directions, don't wait for anyone else to give you permission to do anything. Build the culture you want to live in and do it yourself.

Looks like a good practical plan to me, dear marron, brother in Christ!

But in the next stage, one must wonder "who" decides what the common culture "IS," such that it could be "reformed?" According to what standard, what model???

We the People are in the throes of a full-on culture war. It looks chaotic, it looks all so complicated.

But sift all this down to the ground, and you will find that this "war" is composed of two "sides" — as necessarily any war must be.

At bottom, it seems to me that the cultural divide is established quite easily. Just ask the question: "Do you believe in God?" Answer "YES" puts you in one camp. Answer "NO!" puts you in a different camp entirely — the opponents of traditional American history, constitutionalism, culture, aspiration....

And thus the battle lines have been drawn. And the opposing parties must contend with each other.

The problem is America's history and the People's traditional understanding of what the U.S.A. stands for, and of what it means to be an American citizen, is evidently up for grabs. So, bring on Chicago thugs — er, "community organizers" —to reinterpret our own actual American history and make the new model "mandatory." Using all public administrative bodies as tools empowered to ensure this result.

Oh, but I digress. Let me close by saying I believe you are exactly right in recommending that "building the culture," effectively by personal action, is fundamental, essential to the restoration of the Public Order.

As Plato noticed over two millennia ago, public questions finally, that is to say at bottom, always relate to the order of the individual human person. One can opine about Plato's supposedly nefarious "political theory" all day long [as Ayn Rand tirelessly and falsely does..].

But the fact remains: one of Plato's finest legacies to us in our own age is his observation that in any political order, or "state" whatsoever, Classical Greek philosophy had anticipated the notion that, from the very root of the Cosmos, not only life and intelligence, but also the sense of a common human community (i.e., the universal human sense of moral order), prevails eternally.

Maybe I'm getting a little off-topic here. But having recently read David Bohm's spectacular Wholeness and the Implicate Order, I would say that one cannot detach "local" experience from the wider community of which we are all parts and participants.

Your instruction to "build the culture you want to live in and do it yourself" recognizes the very model of hoped-for [see: Benjamin Franklin on this question] citizen behavior under the aegis of the American Experiment.

One must order himself before he can justly order his own family and, by extension from there, whether he likes it or not, his own local community and beyond.

For Plato,, civic virtue was self-propagating by and in families, something to be transmitted to one's children. Civic vice was seen as not only self-destructive, not only something that wrought destruction to the perpetrator, sooner or later; but far worse, was a principal source of disorder in the wider public community....

The lesson being: Moral teaching literally starts at home. The order of the person is primary; then, the order of the family. And then, the order of the public sphere — the community — of which one is necessarily part and participant.

So, let's take your great advice, dear marron: Let's build the culture we want to live in, by our own efforts (with the help of the Holy Sprit), for the benefit of the rising generation!

If WE now living don't do that, depend upon it: The PL will have won....

1,793 posted on 11/21/2014 2:24:47 PM PST by betty boop (Say good-bye to mathematical logic if you wish to preserve your relations with concrete realities!)
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