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Is Federal 'Leviathan' Pushing This 'Mark of the Beast' on Christians?
Charisma News ^ | 10/14/2014 | Bryan Fischer

Posted on 10/21/2014 2:32:39 PM PDT by xzins

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To: CynicalBear
That chip has been here for quite a while now, almost nobody wants it. Now there is a new customizable “really cool” tattoo that can do the same thing. The tattoo might soon gain acceptance.
41 posted on 10/21/2014 3:29:50 PM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive-mind liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: Califreak

the root word is actually BOW, not rainbow, and it points to heaven (ie Jesus) as the next judgement. The Bow was a covenant that God will never flood the earth again.

So....go buy bows (bows/arrows). :)


42 posted on 10/21/2014 3:30:53 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: xzins
i'll say it again... make-em their damn cake, there's no law it has to be your best work or taste good

make it the most bland misshapen cake imaginable

if you are a photographer, eat a ton of pickled eggs and beans before the wedding and fart up a storm all day, laugh at the guests and off center all the pics

no law against that either

43 posted on 10/21/2014 3:32:20 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: xzins
They can force an implantable chip on a person, so that doesn’t fit for me the biblical picture that says it can be refused.

I don't think the question is if they CAN force it on you. The fact is, they won't. God won't allow it. But expect some type of physical, actual "mark". IMHO, of course.

44 posted on 10/21/2014 3:33:21 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: CynicalBear
Because it says, Rev 13: 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[a] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

And because Rev 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

And this: 9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

And this: 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

In short, Satan hates humans and will take all to hell with him. Remember, we don't wrestle with flesh and blood. We are in combat with spiritual forces that want your soul. And if a simple implant will condemn you for eternity, then they will do it.

45 posted on 10/21/2014 3:39:43 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: huldah1776
By the way, I am a post-tribulationist.

You're forgiven today, but see if you can fix that by tomorrow. :>)

46 posted on 10/21/2014 3:40:46 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I did read the article, and it’s nonsense, there is no mark of the beast “today”. He also makes several mistakes in his description of things from Revelation that make it clear he really isn’t that familiar with the book.


47 posted on 10/21/2014 3:40:56 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: dware
I don't think the question is if they CAN force it on you. The fact is, they won't. God won't allow it. But expect some type of physical, actual "mark". IMHO, of course.

A physical mark can be forced on you so it is not physical. It is the metaphorical one in which you give up and go along with the world on homosexuality, euthanasia, abortion or you name it that you have voluntarily accepted the mark in order to buy or sell. Perhaps to access your bank account or get employment or social security that you have to sign a contract agreeing to their terms of "human rights and progress" to be processed.

48 posted on 10/21/2014 3:46:12 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Three things to send back to Africa: Aids, ebola and Obama.)
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To: Boogieman
Bingo. When men refuse to believe what God has told them, there is no end to the confusion they can dream up to fill the void.

There is no confusion. I am going to be raptured out of here because I am special. None of the bad stuff applies to me. I am a coward in Jesus Christ. /s That's what they believe.

49 posted on 10/21/2014 3:49:30 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: spacejunkie2001

Yes, it says “all” but then it uses categories: small/great; rich/poor, etc.

So, “every category” of human is included. No category is excepted.

We know that “all” doesn’t mean “total number” because some refuse and are martyred.


50 posted on 10/21/2014 3:49:51 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: dware
The fact is, they won't. God won't allow it. But expect some type of physical, actual "mark". IMHO, of course.

Absolutely, a divine intervention each time they attempted to force the mark on an unwilling person would also prevent a physical mark from being placed upon a person.

51 posted on 10/21/2014 3:53:33 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: BipolarBob
A physical mark can be forced on you

Yes, a physical mark CAN be forced on you. WILL it be forced on us? No, God won't allow it to be forced. It MUST be accepted/voluntary. But I believe it WILL BE physical. It won't, however, be forced. That's the niftiness of it. Yes, it's a physical mark. No, you are not mandated to accept it. But if you DON'T accept it, you won't work. You won't be able to buy food. You won't be able to bank. Etc. It WILL be a physical mark. It won't be forced.

52 posted on 10/21/2014 3:54:49 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: Boogieman

We’re just going to disagree on this one.

I clearly hear him suggesting this is a parallel and not (necessarily) the Revelation foretold actual mark of the beast


53 posted on 10/21/2014 3:55:20 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Once they have enough bank accounts compromised by the ACA, it will be all to easy to demand your money or the mark.

Think missing emails and hard drives are bad? How about millions of ID compromised bank accounts shutting down all electronic transactions? You want your money, prove who you are with the chip by X Mark.

Facts are most people worship money first and the Creator gets an honorable mention at pagan festival times. This is literally the old robbery saying "Your money, or your eternal life!"

54 posted on 10/21/2014 3:57:52 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

They have something like this going on in ISIS areas right now. If you don’t bow down and worship their false god you die or are prevented from anything they feel like preventing you from.


55 posted on 10/21/2014 4:01:04 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: CynicalBear
CORRECTION: last part of previous post to you

In short, Satan hates humans and will take all to lake of fire with him THAT HE CAN. Remember, we don't wrestle with flesh and blood. We are in combat with spiritual forces that want your soul. And if a simple implant will condemn you for eternity, then they will do it.

56 posted on 10/21/2014 4:03:18 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
You are correct in your thinking.

Just HOW DEEP do you want to get into this subject ?
To try to understand Revelation 13 : verses 16 through 17, you can't just separate it from the rest of that chapter, and understand it.
Verses 16-17 is only one of many clues to WHAT the "Prophetic Beast" IS.

But if you TRUELY UNDERSTAND just WHAT IS the "Prophetic Beast" ~ THEN what would you do?
SERIOUSLY !
WHAT IF you discover that you already HAVE the MARK of the"Prophetic Beast" ?
WILL YOU CHANGE "what you DO" (in your hand) ?
WILL YOU CHANGE "what you THINK" (in your forehead) ?
SERIOUSLY !

Ponder that ~
for a while.
57 posted on 10/21/2014 4:04:33 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: xzins
As always when confronted with scripture that doesn't quite fit it's best to investigate the Hebrew or Greek. In this case the phrase "He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads," doesn't fit with the admonition for those who follow Christ not to take the mark.

With that in mind we find that the word in the Greek for "all" is "pas" which means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." rather than each individual.

So we see that "all" in this case means "each and every part of society" rather than every individual. That is reinforced with the following discription of each of the different segments of society. The phrase "both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave," is defining the "every part of society".

58 posted on 10/21/2014 4:04:50 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: dware
don't think the question is if they CAN force it on you. The fact is, they won't. God won't allow it. But expect some type of physical, actual "mark". IMHO, of course.

The mark of the beast is IN your head, not on it. Ie, your brain. They can stamp 666 on you from head to toe, just don't believe the false Christ when he comes at the 6th trump.

59 posted on 10/21/2014 4:05:16 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: xzins

Got it, that makes sense.


60 posted on 10/21/2014 4:06:52 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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