Posted on 10/15/2014 10:34:50 AM PDT by Wolfie
So you personally are pro-dope for all dope, right?
So what you wrote in post 159 is not what you’d support. You’re against legalized drugs. You’re just saying that others will force it on America. I get it. You yourself are not in favor of legal use of drugs.
YOU wrote post 159.
"and only after, having legalized pot and taken a good few years to assess the impact, I predict that the weight of the evidence will support answering 'should we legalize other drugs?' with a 'yes.'"
Of course, your prediction has nothing to do with your preference.
You say “I am anti-dope” yet you want it legal. So you’re not really anti-dope. You’re anti-anti-dope. You’re not willing to will the means to stop enforce the law and you’re in favor of it being legal, which we’ve both known all along. All your sophistries merely exist to help make all dope legal.
Wrong - I'm anti- many things I don't want criminalized: alcohol, tobacco, rap, reality TV, short hair for women, ...
You want a lawless society where people can get on dope and be a burden on the rest of society, then. That’s why I call what you want utopian libertarianism.
Wrong as usual - I fully support all laws against violations of individual rights ... but current drug laws don't qualify.
where people can get on dope and be a burden on the rest of society,
Some, but far from all, users of alcohol and other drugs become burdens on society - and even they are burdens only because society has through its elected representatives chosen to create programs through which this burdening takes place. The conservative position is to end such rights-violating welfare/redistributive programs, not to use them as an excuse for still more rights-violating policies like drug criminalization.
You don't get how destructive drugs are. You think anti-drug laws are no different than mandating no mustard on hot dogs. It's futile to try to change your mind because you see dope as a fine recreational activity for responsible adults. The reality is it's a plague on our society regardless of whether it is worse than alcohol or not. It's a plague not just because a lot of nice people end up in jail. It destroys minds, bodies, families, and communities. It's not in the interest of people who love freedom to decriminalize products that exist only for the purpose of getting stoned. And in your case now, it's impossible to go back and say you're only talking about pot. Because you've made it clear that you'd be okay with legalizing all drugs.
Kind of ironic that you quote Madison, then present what you perceive as popular opinion as if it were an enumeration of power.
You think Madison opposed popular opinion or ... what’re you trying to say?
Madison opposed "popular opinion" as a claim of authority for any federal power not explicitly granted by the States and enumerated in the Constitution.
And, then, are you saying that my stating that the laws we’ve had on illegal drugs have reflected the popular opinion of the majority is contrary to what Madison wanted? I don’t think you mean to say Madison favored illegal drugs (though I know there are people on FReeRepublic who might say that), but are you saying he didn’t favor laws reflecting the values of the public in a self-governing nation?
I’m say “elhombrelibre says it’s what everybody wants” doesn’t make it all good.
So far, two states have voted for decriminalization. It’s not me just saying that. It’s a fact. Smoking dope has not historically been something Americans favored. Parents did not raise their kids to be pot heads until very recently. Am I mistaken? I’m guessing yours might have, but you probably noticed that not many other parents were in favor of their kids getting stoned.
I don't agree with it, but I understand that our constitutional republic allows people in other states to pass laws I don't like. I think trying to abuse the enumerated powers of the federal government to stop them is a violation of the spirit and intent of that document and ultimately more destructive to the nation than whatever it is they're doing I don't agree with.
So you think the enumerated powers explicitly allow for smoking pot, or you think they don’t allow states to make pot smoking illegal?
How long did it take you to load that question?
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