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Why the F-35 is a sitting duck for the Flankers (Russian brag alert)
Russia & India Report ^ | October 12, 2014 | Rakesh Krishnan Simha

Posted on 10/12/2014 3:31:06 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 10/12/2014 3:31:06 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: F15Eagle
But then there is also this....
Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 at MAKS airshow

3 posted on 10/12/2014 3:46:56 AM PDT by Bobalu (Hashem Yerachem (May God Have Mercy)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Propaganda! - I’m afraid we may know the truth about these aircraft in head-to-head confrontations long before their useful life is over. And our pilots - along with the second best fighter ever built (after the F-22) will make the difference.


4 posted on 10/12/2014 3:50:59 AM PDT by impactplayer
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...along with the second best fighter ever built (after the F-22)

Yep, that FA-18 is sure one heck of an airplane!

5 posted on 10/12/2014 4:13:28 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The biggest flaw of the F35 that stands out like a sore thumb and should have made the aircraft unacceptable from the get go... One engine. Seriously, a one engine aircraft is less maneuverable than a two engine aircraft.

The Russians essentially took elements from the the F14, F15 & F18 aircraft designs and modified them to make the Sukhoi Su-30... Two engines are always better than one.


6 posted on 10/12/2014 4:21:18 AM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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To: impactplayer

“Propaganda” was the first word that crossed my mind as I read this article.


7 posted on 10/12/2014 4:32:13 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Built to be the deadliest hunter killer aircraft of all time...

The F-35 was built primarily to be an attack aircraft, not a fighter.

8 posted on 10/12/2014 4:49:11 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Yeah one engines suck. I mean look at the f16.

Yes, sarcasm


9 posted on 10/12/2014 4:52:12 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: The Duke

“Propaganda” was the first word that crossed my mind as I read this article.”

But is it true?


10 posted on 10/12/2014 5:15:53 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: jerod

Oh, but one engine is so much more green than two.....[/s]

Seriously, wouldn’t be surprise to learn that environmentalists are now writing the specs for military fighters.


11 posted on 10/12/2014 5:38:50 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Are there any examples of actual dogfights in modern warfare, the kind where in close maneuverability really plays a roll?


12 posted on 10/12/2014 6:05:44 AM PDT by BigBobber (`)
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To: impactplayer; The Duke

The article cites a host western experts and statistics on the readiness levels to support it’s position that the F35 is an overpriced turkey.

Do you have any empirical evidence to counter their position, or is that not needed before labeling the story propaganda?


13 posted on 10/12/2014 6:07:18 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
According to Military Today Currently top 10 fighter aircraft in the world are these:

No.1 Lockheed Martin / Boeing F-22 Raptor (USA) - 2 engines

No.2 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (USA) - 2 engines

No.3 Eurofighter Typhoon (European Union)

No.4 Dassault Rafale (France)

No.5 Sukhoi Su-27 (Russia) - 2 engines

No.6 McDonnel Douglas F-15 Eagle (USA) - 2 engines

No.7 Mikoyan MiG-31 (Russia) - 2 engines

No.8 Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon (USA)

No.9 Saab JAS 39 Gripen (Sweden)

No.10 Chengdu J-10 (China)

Noticeably absent... The F35

The F35 is a 'joint' task force fighter, because the Americans are not currently willing to offer the F22 to it's allies, and most of it's sales are going to be from America's allies. That is, unless their allies figure out that it's a dud and back out of those contracts.

14 posted on 10/12/2014 6:39:07 AM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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First off, the “experts” are predominantly sales reps for the competing fighter candidates

By definition they conflicted in interest and they are not privy to the actual performance of the F-35 so they have no ice what they are talking about.

Pierre Sprey is a very interesting guy who I respect, but his vision of a next generation fighter does not include installing a radar unit in the aircraft. He proposed the same for the F-16 40 years ago and was laughed out of the room.

His vision is to have thousands of small, low cost and unsophisticated fighters in actions which swamp the enemy but take heavy losses in WWII type air battles.

We actually tried this in the early days of Vietnam and got our clocks cleaned by even the most rudimentary Russian SAMs.

15 posted on 10/12/2014 7:10:57 AM PDT by rdcbn
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Seriously, a one engine aircraft is less maneuverable than a two engine aircraft.

I think you'll have some trouble supporting that claim.

16 posted on 10/12/2014 7:17:11 AM PDT by GBA (Hick with a keyboard)
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To: mac_truck

Overpriced is not the same as combat capability - especially with our pilot training. You never know until you HAVE to know.


17 posted on 10/12/2014 7:19:53 AM PDT by impactplayer
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Let them ‘misunderestimate’ the US inventory, they will learn an expensive lesson in the end.

Single engines mean lighter weight mean more maneuverable... but also less redundant. if your single engine goes out, your reaching for the rocket engine under your seat.

Thru the ~1980’s Russian engine technology was not on par with the US... they make have caught up since


18 posted on 10/12/2014 8:05:36 AM PDT by quagmier (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: jerod
The biggest flaw of the F35 that stands out like a sore thumb and should have made the aircraft unacceptable from the get go... One engine. Seriously, a one engine aircraft is less maneuverable than a two engine aircraft.

What? Fighters are designed with twin engines for reliability (survivability) and thrust-weight issues.

19 posted on 10/12/2014 8:41:17 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: mac_truck

I’m saying that it reads like propoganda.


20 posted on 10/12/2014 10:35:15 AM PDT by The Duke
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