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To: SeekAndFind

This is entirely stupid in more than one way and is doomed from the start. All bark, and not even a weak bite.

This would nullify not only the 14th Amendment, but would nullify Article IV, Section 1 of the actual Constitution, the Full Faith and Credit Clause. The founders were very strongly in favor of the Full Faith and Credit Clause - it predates the actual Constitution. A version of the Full Faith and Credit Clause is found in Article IV of the Articles of Confederation.

The Full Faith and Credit Clause has been interpreted over and over and over as applying to records across state lines since 1790. Nothing new. Marriages and adoptions included.

Do you really want a situation where adoptions aren’t legal across state lines? Or is he fine with gay adoption, but is really against gay marriage? Because the courts have already told states that they have to recognize adoptions by gays, too. Why is one sacrosanct, and the other is changeable? Makes no sense.

Secondly, this would undo Loving vs. Virgina. You will never see 2/3s of the states vote to undo interracial marriage. It simply will not happen.

I’m wondering why Cruz wants to take this oddly circuitous route, instead of a simple amendment to just ban gay marriage outright?

This makes no sense, unless he wants to be seen as wanting to do something without actually doing anything at all.


37 posted on 10/07/2014 6:21:12 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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Love Ted Cruz. The more I hear about him the more I like.

Rinos like Rand Paul or Romney are so eager to surrender to the liberals on this issue. It is refreshing to see someone stand up for what over half of Americans really believe but have been cowarded into sticking their heads in the sand.

Cruz for President!


38 posted on 10/07/2014 7:23:56 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (My dream ticket is Cruz/Rubio 2016)
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To: mountainbunny
I’m wondering why Cruz wants to take this oddly circuitous route, instead of a simple amendment to just ban gay marriage outright?

Because he knows what we all know, that the American public as a whole would never pass an amendment to ban it. So he's trying to pretend that there's a procedural way to get there.

This makes no sense, unless he wants to be seen as wanting to do something without actually doing anything at all.

That's exactly my worry. I have high hopes for him, but this sort of feel-good, do-nothing political stunt is making me wonder.
40 posted on 10/07/2014 7:53:54 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: mountainbunny

You haven’t even seen the proposed amendment and you are posting as if you’re reviewed and analyzed it! TROLL!

Ted Cruz has orders of magnitude more knowledge and experience of the US Constitution and its history than nearly anyone alive especially including TROLLS like you! He would never be so ignorant as you deem him based on a proposal you haven’t even seen!

Cruz specifically pointed to the abuse of the 14th amendment that some of the current and former members of the SCOTUS have committed in stretching its history and intent. It is near certain he intends to write a proposed amendment that curtails rulings based on the 14th.


43 posted on 10/07/2014 9:23:38 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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