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Beavercreek Walmart surveillance tape shows shooting, 9-1-1 call (video)
Cleveland.com ^ | Sep 24, 2014 | Jeremy Pelzer

Posted on 09/24/2014 8:17:16 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy

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To: caww

Oh, what am I thinking, Cawww? Of course you’re right!

It’s just as you said: All of those “dingbat teens and young people” buying air rifles in one department at Walmart and then carrying them through the store as they continue to shop - sheesh, what idiots they are.

Of course, the 911 caller who apparently lied and said the guy was pointing it at people - well, I guess he’s just an upstanding citizen.

And the police who shot right away without assessing the situation - that’s perfectly understandable. I mean, the guy was holding an air rifle that he’d just picked up. In Walmart. In a different department of the store. And he was moving it around. As he stood alone in an aisle.

So, of course he was shot.

And, of course, Walmart can’t be blamed.

BTW - YES, I’m being sarcastic.

If Walmart sells air rifles, just how many people have bought them there and then walked through the store while holding them, maybe even swinging them back and forth? My guess is - anyone who ever bought an air rifle at Walmart without using a cart might’ve swung it back and forth a little bit while holding it.

Is there some kind of warning posted: “Buy our air rifles. But watch how you carry them through the store.”

Around 10 years ago, I walked into a Walmart, and walking through the store were a father and son (I assumed) dressed in full camo and carrying rifles (I think). I assumed they were headed on a hunting trip.

But, hey, maybe I should’ve called 911.


121 posted on 09/24/2014 11:15:55 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: MaxMax

Acting like an idiot should not be enough reason to have one’s life snuffed out. Nobody should be able to murder another human being just for being dumb, or weird, and get away with it.


122 posted on 09/24/2014 11:17:58 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: Shimmer1

And I could be wrong of course but the guy didn’t look like a typical thug from the couple of pics I saw.


123 posted on 09/24/2014 11:35:00 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: Tired of Taxes

This is sad. Each day I grow to like my fellow human beings less and less.


124 posted on 09/24/2014 11:37:35 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: antidisestablishment

It was not a toy gun. It was an air rifle about as powerful as a .22 LR capable of killing or seriously injuring someone.


125 posted on 09/24/2014 11:38:58 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: dasboot

Why in the hell are these grand juries allowing these men to keep getting away with murder?! Being a police officer does not make you GOD. Nobody has the right to take another life so casually! Due diligence must always be played out and deadly force used as a last resort. If one cannot understand the risks involved in being a law enforcement officer then they should NOT be one.


126 posted on 09/24/2014 11:44:52 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: caww

Well said and documented! I really don’t get the people who are claiming the police shot this kid in “cold blood” for talking on his phone in a corner with a “toy” he picked up in another aisle in the store. It really doesn’t matter if it was a toy, BB gun or pellet rifle; the bottom line is as far as the police knows they are entering a store with a guy loading a rifle and pointing it at kids. They are not going to allow this guy to start spaying bullets down an aisle. They also do not know if this is some terrorist that may have accomplices and other weapons. If there is anyone to blame it is the 911 caller and unfortunately the kid who made a poor decision picking up a “toy” gun and swinging it around.


127 posted on 09/25/2014 12:05:58 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: caww
The original reporting on this if I remember correctly was a man shopping for a toy gun, and
being shot in the toy gun isle. He was not acting like a shopper and IMO was looking for trouble.
128 posted on 09/25/2014 12:27:39 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: kelly4c
He was not only acting like an idiot, he was acting threatening by waving that stupid gun around.
129 posted on 09/25/2014 12:31:20 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: QuisCustodiet1776
They should have gone through the whole “drop the weapon” routine.

Yep. It's a no brainer.

Just the basics would have prevented a needless death.

130 posted on 09/25/2014 12:59:13 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: arthurus
That is why I won’t call a cop for anything.

Old saying: Never invite the man into your life. There are exceptions of course, but these days, they're getting fewer and fewer..

131 posted on 09/25/2014 1:01:55 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: caww

If the cops can’t distinguish between someone talking on the phone and a real threat, you have lousy - and dangerous - cops.

No excuse.


132 posted on 09/25/2014 1:13:02 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
...kicked out due to “fraudulent enlistment,” whatever that means.

IIRC: Shortly after arriving at Parris Island, we were given a chance to back out of the deal. This came in the form of "admitting" to lying on your enlistment contract. You had to answer a bunch of questions when enlisting such as, "have you ever engaged in homosexual behavior," or "have you ever used illegal drugs." There must have been 20 or more questions along these lines. The correct answer to all of them was "no".

It was pretty well understood by everyone (though not explicitly stated), that this was an opportunity to quit.

So, I suspect "fraudulent enlistment" means he chickened out.

133 posted on 09/25/2014 2:50:20 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: Eagles6

I’m not saying his actions were correct, but the gun was not “loaded.” He was certainly not displaying proper weapons handling by any means and he obviously never learned the first rule of gun safety.

Despite that, he obviously thought the gun a toy, and there is no way it was “capable of killing or seriously injuring someone.” Even airguns are not sold loaded or charged.

While you and I (and all from the gun culture) agree that all weapons should be treated as lethal at all times, most people today have no training and little understanding of guns. Air rifles, BB guns and paintball guns are considered toys by most people and I doubt many here could say they never did something stupid with some sort of air rifle. It’s a bit of a meme, you know: “it’s all fun and games til you shoot your eye out.”

Yes, the guy was not following basic gun safety rules, but he was acting in character with many, if not most, recreational airgun users. The only dangerous and criminal actions came from the caller and police.


134 posted on 09/25/2014 3:11:09 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Islam delenda est)
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To: Moonman62
He went down quickly and dropped the gun, but then he got up quickly and moved toward the gun and the police officer.

Yeah, because people with bullets in them always act rationally - except for this guy.

135 posted on 09/25/2014 3:11:38 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: caww

In all those instances shots were fired.
This guy was shot down before they even said a word or he even said a word. Cops should be held to the same laws as we are: Only use deadly force in self defense. This was a case of “shoot first then claim self defense”. Only this involved a non weapon. There is no self defense.


136 posted on 09/25/2014 3:18:09 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: LambSlave

Murder by 9-11, with the cops-as-weapon. Cops with no apparent sentience at all. 9-11 pulls the cop-trigger and the cops shoot. No questions asked. No evaluation done. No situational analysis performed.

Your phone is the trigger. Your local cops are the gun.

Murder by 9-11.

How easy it’s done.

All you have to do is lie.


137 posted on 09/25/2014 3:31:52 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: suijuris
The cops and the 911 caller who lied his ass off should all go to prison.

I agree.

138 posted on 09/25/2014 3:34:25 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Jarhead9297
I guess a grand jury where the bar is EXTREMELY LOW on bringing charges begged to differ.

Another way to look at it is the bar is extremely low for the STATE to get the RESULT THAT IT WANTS from a grand jury.

Do you doubt for a moment that the grand jury "findings" in this case were exactly the results the state wanted?

139 posted on 09/25/2014 3:37:53 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: martinidon
I put more of the blame on the 911 caller.

The cops are supposed to be professionals. They are supposed to look at the whole picture.

So now any 911 caller can say anything, get the cops to do anything, and the cops can just say, "hey, the caller made us do it".

That's BS. Every one of the cops involved in this incident, all the way up to the top brass, deserves to be fired, at the very least.

140 posted on 09/25/2014 3:41:26 AM PDT by samtheman
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