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Poland sees sharply lower gas supplies from Russia
Reuters ^ | 9-10-2014 | Adrian Krajewski

Posted on 09/10/2014 9:01:47 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Poland said on Wednesday the volume of gas it has received so far this week from Russian gas monopoly Gazprom was down by at least 20 percent.

Some European countries believe Moscow may use a disruption of gas to Europe as a trump card in its confrontation with the West over Ukraine. The row has already dragged ties between Moscow and the West down to their worst since the Cold War.

Ukraine's gas transport monopoly Ukrtransgaz was quoted by a Russian news agency as saying Gazprom was limiting flows to Poland to disrupt supplies of gas in the opposite direction, from Poland into Ukraine.

Kiev is already cut off from Russian gas in a pricing dispute and depends on these "reverse flows" to supply homes and businesses with gas.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: energy; europe; gas; gasputin; gazprom; naturalgas; poland; russia; russiagas; ukraine
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Russia meets around a third of European gas demand, sending almost half of these supplies via Ukraine.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/10/ukraine-crisis-gas-poland-idINL5N0RB2KI20140910

Somebody got the siphon hose out?


21 posted on 09/10/2014 10:03:28 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

Spin, comrade, spin.


22 posted on 09/10/2014 10:03:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: McGruff

Could be that is the situation. russia will have to abandon her pipelines in these nations and perhaps russia is prepared to do exactly that. Reverse flow. Would have to set up infrastructure quickly and certainly this was discussed early and a plan is in place. Sever at border with russia and russia is out of the loop if that is where russia wants to go. russia cannot be stopped on that point but less money is less money anytime and this would be a loss of income to russia even with the deal with china. china might be the replacement to loss of income but income is income and cutting off the west of russia is eventually a loss to russia. Certainly russia understands this or putin has made a decision and has decided he will take his stand and take a chance. If so, big chance is being taken. Don’t know where will lead and could be a chance rewarded but sometimes chances are not rewarded. putin has to be aware of this and has calculated ... but a chance taken that does not go a nation’s way can cause a Good-Bye that never returns. Huge risk.


23 posted on 09/10/2014 10:10:32 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: tcrlaf

Bundle up,Europe...and stand firm.The USSR 2.0 has nothing to threaten you with other than discomfort and nukes.And they’re not likely to use the nukes.We’ll help you.And remember,Comrade Putin & Pals need you far more than you need them!


24 posted on 09/10/2014 10:13:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Islamopobia:The Irrational Fear Of Being Beheaded)
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To: Navy Patriot

I almost married a beautiful Polish girl but she was a singer and left me for a band. Sounds like the words to a song. LOL


25 posted on 09/10/2014 10:14:25 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: 1rudeboy
LOL—you combined “Russian” and “Capitalist.”

That's nothing, you managed to combine Ukrainian policy and Neo Nazi Homo Fascists, well done!

26 posted on 09/10/2014 10:17:41 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Navy Patriot

Uh, that was you, comrade.


27 posted on 09/10/2014 10:19:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: McGruff

And I miss Laurence Welk.


28 posted on 09/10/2014 10:20:14 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: no-to-illegals
russia cutting off their nose regarding income from gas? Free Market to take up slack?

Insufficient infrastructure for any other market to take up the slack this year/winter.

29 posted on 09/10/2014 10:25:11 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: no-to-illegals
Reverse flow. Would have to set up infrastructure quickly

Very quickly would be about 5 years from now. This winter, next or the one after, not chance to meet that volume.

30 posted on 09/10/2014 10:28:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

I also live in NJ, also spent some time in Russia and I completely agree with your thinking on these subjects. Please freepmail your AT persona name to me. I’d like to follow your posts.


31 posted on 09/10/2014 10:30:17 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: thackney
Know you believe what you typed or you would not have typed it ... I too believe what I typed and type. One never knows what is impossible and what is possible but then from where I come from was a motto that was lived by all my life and those surrounding me ... You want the possible? Here it is. You want the impossible? I'll need twenty-four hours. Not disagreeing with you. Am simply saying I never count people out in a crisis. Fully believe ... Anything is Possible. Just have to have the proper plan. Humans have a tendency to want to survive and survive in peace. May not happen but that is not going to change what humans want. Survive, Peace ... two powerful motivators. and will agree both are never attained for forever. Temporary survival. Temporary Peace. But that does not mean should not be strived for, does it?
32 posted on 09/10/2014 10:35:59 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
If it was a fast-paced project, it would take a decade at least. It took several decades at normal work paces while the existing infrastructure was built.

If it magically rained all the right equipment and materials, and it all landed in the right spot, the amount of gas required to replace all that Russia now sells to Europe could not be produced for this winter. Where would the gas come from?

Anything is Possible. Just have to have the proper plan.

In the real world, it requires: cost, schedule and quality. Pick any two of those and I'll tell you the result for the third. And yes, non-functioning is a quality.

33 posted on 09/10/2014 10:42:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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If it was a fast-paced project, it would take a decade at least.

A moment ago was said by you five years now is up to a decade?

oh well ... guess people should give up and die ... that is one heck of a plan, ya got there ... LOL

34 posted on 09/10/2014 10:45:12 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

5 years would be an insanely overpriced but possibly technically feasible.

What the industry would call a fast paced and maybe only double cost could be done in a decade.


35 posted on 09/10/2014 10:47:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

I’d have to survey the ground and that has already been done. Pipelines are in place unless russia is prepared to blow them up. Course that would be an act of war. Pumps, Receive locations and game on.


36 posted on 09/10/2014 10:51:12 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

They don’t need to give up, but if they want to plan going forward, it ought to be a plan with a possible outcome.

You can walk from New York to California, with a lot of effort and determination. Believing you can do that walk in 24 hours is just insanity.

Push hard, always strive for more, but live in reality. Part of that reality is, Russia can not operate as it is without selling most of that gas, and they don’t have another way to delivery anywhere else in that same time frame.

Russia can make it difficult and put pressure on the EU, to be applied then to the Ukraine. But they could not function, as they are, without most of that cash flow.

Notice my qualifier, as they are. They might choose some even less desirable options.


37 posted on 09/10/2014 10:53:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Distribution is not the problem. Sourcing the gas would be the problem.


38 posted on 09/10/2014 10:54:08 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: no-to-illegals

They need to get cracking then!


39 posted on 09/10/2014 10:55:37 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: thackney

oh btw ... most pumps are already in place ... receiver location are also ... next problem ... set up import? The import locations also are there. Another thought ... does anyone want to sell gas? russia wants to screw themselves, who is going to stop them? russia’s choice


40 posted on 09/10/2014 10:56:11 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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