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Putin's Nuclear Option
Foreign Policy ^ | Sept 4, 2014 | Jeffrey Taylor

Posted on 09/06/2014 3:08:53 PM PDT by Sparklite

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To: Sparklite

This talk of nukes is silly. Putin could just roll in tanks and these little countries could do little. Nukes are required against strong countries not weak ones.


21 posted on 09/06/2014 3:52:21 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Rebel_Ace
Russians in general are WAY TOO RATIONAL to consider using tactical nukes in a regional European theater.

The Russkies are the Muslims of the Slavic world. They are too busy rehabilitating the memory of Stalin or rioting about Soviet monuments being damaged to think rationally.

22 posted on 09/06/2014 3:54:44 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Usagi_yo

Except they hate each other.

I put my wager on China nuking Japan.


23 posted on 09/06/2014 3:55:46 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: marron; Avid Coug; Sparklite
Actually, that is my view. If a major power such as Russia or China were going to take us down, I have no doubt they would do exactly as you say, use arab proxies who would gladly martyr themselves in the process and gladly take the blame.

And you're not the only one to suspect this:

"In 1998, I asked a former Russian intelligence official how Moscow might successfully pull off a surprise nuclear attack against the United States without suffering a devastating retaliation.

He replied without hesitation, saying: “If you ever hear that Arab terrorists have attacked an American city with nuclear weapons don’t believe it. The attack, he said, would be from Russia.”

http://theconservativemonster.com/?tag=jr-nyquist

24 posted on 09/06/2014 3:58:01 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
America needs to immediately depose Obama

That's not how the United States rolls. I would fight deposing or assassinating any living president.

I have NO use for the liberal Obama, but calling for deposing a sitting president smacks of South American banana republics.

The US does business differently.

Lawful and orderly transfer of power is the American way.

/johnny

25 posted on 09/06/2014 4:01:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

no one said anything about hurting anybody !

the USA has never been in straits like these before
We literally have run out of time .

the “lawful and orderly transfer of power” , a once dependable and noble process has now become 100% cynically perverted and corrupted ; by the Partys themselves , the lawyers that advise them on how to subvert the Constitution and by the mass mainstream media that supports , aides and abets the subversion .

The people of the United States and those that voluntarily serve in our Armed Forces are gravely at risk due to this massive subversion .
Do you really think that another stroll thru the corrupted and 100% gamed electoral process , and waiting for the outcome of this charade in late 2016 is the way to go ?

Question : will Putin wait? how about ISIS ? how about China ?
The world has become an intensely dangerous place , on a global scale , worse than ever before . The sharks are attracted to the blood of perceived American weakness and lack of will .
Can we wait ? I wish I could say we could ....

My great hope is that a fully Republican controlled Congress may FINALLY hold the evil players accountable and firings and impeachments will follow . If that does not happen , our goose is cooked .


26 posted on 09/06/2014 4:15:50 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Rebel_Ace; SgtHooper
--agree--this strikes me as a rather stupid article-

--the Russians have (fortunately) always had leadership sufficiently rational to avoid a nuclear war--

27 posted on 09/06/2014 4:16:46 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: LeoWindhorse
You said depose.

People get defenestrated (look it up) during deposing leaders.

I do not ever accept overthrow of the government of the United States by the use of force.

I have no problem with nations like Texas breaking away and demanding independence, that is recognized under international law...

But the United States wouldn't ever be the United States again with a forceful overthrow of a legally elected government. Regardless of how corrupt those laws are. That must be changed to keep the United States that you miss.

Deposing leaders is very turd world. And violent.

/johnny

28 posted on 09/06/2014 4:21:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: KoRn

“What the local weather conditions are at the base they launch ICBMs from probably doesn’t matter much....at all. lol”

That might be. I’m certainly no expert on the subject. But what if they amassed a fleet of long range bombers, fighters, refuelers, and paratrooper transports. Then it would. Let’s hear from the freepers with knowledge on this. If our satellites couldn’t see it because of the fog cover??


29 posted on 09/06/2014 4:22:47 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: LeoWindhorse
My great hope is that a fully Republican controlled Congress

There's a long wait where a train don't come.

I know a lot of people here are in denial about how liberal the Republican party has become, but they ARE liberal, and support the liberal agenda.

The liberal republican party leaders in the legislature have proven that, over and over.

Get rid of the liberals out of at least one party (Hint: You can't get rid of liberals from the Dem party).

/johnny

30 posted on 09/06/2014 4:24:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Avid Coug
Fog cover only works in visible light. It doesn't matter much to IR (or even UV, if that's your thing).

/johnny

31 posted on 09/06/2014 4:25:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Defenestrating the leader doesn’t change the large mass of Americans who thought he was the cat’s meow and would elect him for a third term if they could. Our problem isn’t Obama, its a corrupted populace. I don’t know what you do about that.

Corrupted parties rise up from a corrupted public. Thats why banana republics keep overthrowing el comandante year after year and always wind up right where they started. Chavez wasn’t an anomaly, he was just what the Venezuelan doctor ordered. And Obama, sad to say, isn’t an anomaly either. Talk to the average kid coming out of college who doesn’t know what WWII was about or who won.


32 posted on 09/06/2014 4:33:18 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2001convSVT

~It is more likely that Putin, would OK the uses of tactical nuke against a Ukrainian troop concentration.~

I think your tin foil hat is too tight. It way affect a blood circulation is your head one day.


33 posted on 09/06/2014 4:34:44 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Avid Coug

Russia doesn’t have the capability to invade America, the Russian military is not what it was when it was the Soviet Union, all of their Warsaw Pact countries are in NATO now.

The old Soviet Union’s military was massive, 6 or 7 Airborne divisions, a huge number of Air Assault battalions and bridge building units and such, not today.

Today the Russian military is down from 6.3 million, to a total of 766,000 in all branches, and they lack the ability to launch great attack forces globally.


34 posted on 09/06/2014 4:37:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: marron
I don’t know what you do about that.

Train up the children in the way they should go, and they won't depart from it.

I'm giving up a great big chunk of my life to be part of a multi-generational effort to help my son-in-law and daughter raise children that know crap from shinola.

Evil prevails when good men watch TV on the weekends instead of spending time with their families.

/johnny

35 posted on 09/06/2014 4:38:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Evil prevails when good men watch TV on the weekends instead of spending time with their families.

Well said.

36 posted on 09/06/2014 4:39:37 PM PDT by marron
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To: JRandomFreeper

ah yes , Jezebel ....
Thanks for the new word !

question : does the government have rights over the people it governs ? And if not , and that trust is broken ( in 100’s of ways) what recourse is left to the people ?

We’ve been there before : Revolution


37 posted on 09/06/2014 4:39:43 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Sparklite
To even let *one* nuke fly would be indicative of a deep,deep mental illness.Putin's utterly amoral but he's not crazy.He's much more likely,for example,to shut off energy exports to Europe until they cry “uncle”.
38 posted on 09/06/2014 4:42:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Islamopobia:The Irrational Fear Of Being Beheaded)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Revolution would give you something besides the US that you miss.

It would be a new nation.

It also isn't just about deposing a leader.

I maintain my position. I will fight any attempt to depose a sitting leader of the nation to install another.

It's not how the United States works.

/johnny

39 posted on 09/06/2014 4:45:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sparklite

If Russians keep dying as this story suggests then maybe they will fade away. But I doubt it.

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/sep/02/dying-russians/


40 posted on 09/06/2014 4:52:32 PM PDT by Cry if I Wanna
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