UKRAINE: Fighting for Ukraine can come tens of thousands of Chechens from EU

Akhmed Zakayev: Fighting for Ukraine can come tens of thousands of Chechens from the EU

Ukraine continues the fifth month of armed confrontation in the Donbas, where the Ukrainian army, law enforcement officers and volunteers confront local separatists and mercenaries supported by Russia. On the side of the militants are involved mercenaries from Chechnya. After the first evidence of their presence in Ukraine, this fact was forced to admit the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov. He even threatened that more than 70 thousand Chechens can arrive at Donbass "restore order" unless Putin orders. However, this did not happen. Such statements are pro-Russian Chechen leadership bravado and fantasy, said the head of the Chechen Republic in Exil Akhmed Zakayev, as Kadyrov's just not so many people.

Akhmed Zakayev - one of the companions of the first President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (CRI) Johar Dudayev, who was killed by Russian security services in 1996.

You fought against Russia. In your opinion, what is the purpose of this country in the armed conflict in the Donbas, wants Putin?

I think the goal is absolutely obvious. The main objective of Putin in eastern Ukraine, where Russia is fighting a war, it's the whole world stopped talking about the Crimea. Russia calls militants fighting against Ukraine, militias, volunteers, although in fact they are mercenaries, the dogs of war. Putin understands that committed by him in the Crimea does not meet any international standards. By all international standards, this is called the occupation or annexation of foreign territory. He understands how painful is the reaction of Europe and the international community to this act. In other words, the Russian leader seeks to ensure that peace and stability in eastern Ukraine were "exchanged" the fact that the international community come to terms with an event in the Crimea. This is the main problem of Russia.

It is obvious that Ukraine has made its choice. The choice of the Ukrainian people - European civilization. This is a very painful thing for Putin, the man who wanted to recreate the Soviet Union at least in some other format, such as the Customs Union. The main thing in Russia understand that without Ukraine can not create or preserve the empire in the form in which they envision it. Without Ukraine, there is no Russian empire. All their nationalists, chauvinists, velikoderzhavniki emphasize is the fact that the "return" themselves Ukraine. They insulted, violated because their dream of recreating a new great Russian empire faded away in one day. That was the day when Ukraine unambiguously stated that it is not going to go into this empire.

Can the Donbas now the same devastating war with a huge number of victims, which was in Chechnya?

In fact, if the Ukrainian authorities want to keep their territory, they will have to fight there (in the Donbas - "Commander in Chief"). Now I can not predict how the war will develop. But in this situation, I can definitely say that Putin has put himself into a corner. On the one hand, he can not betray those whom he sent back, ie leave the region. On the other hand, he did not expect to be here such a sharp response from the international community. He assumed that all his actions will go away with it, as have gone in Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova. Putin thought that Ukraine will also keep it in limbo, as well as all of the above regions. Mir sent him a very clear signals that do not allow him to carry out his plan. Now he has to give back up to betray those he misdirected and there over the 3-4 months to become the hero of Russia, or to continue to support the rebels broke off relations with the civilized world. That's the dilemma. But we all know that if he betrays those militants who supported all this time, it will affect the internal situation in the country. These 85% support, which draw Putin will turn against him and sweep away his regime. The main thing is that he understands this. If so, then, of course, he would not do it under any circumstances. All this means that Ukraine should prepare for war in order to defend their territory, defend their own future, to defend their country and the interests of the Ukrainian people. War - always a cruel thing, and define the parameters of this cruelty, in principle, impossible. Not least because at some point the war is getting out of control of those who started it. Therefore, the consequences may not be very pleasant.

For the past few months on the Ukrainian-Russian border are more than 100 thousand. Russian military. Many experts do not rule out a military invasion of Russia under the guise of a peacekeeping force. In your opinion, how likely is such a scenario?

Whether Putin will bring the troops or not enter, will depend on the attitude of Ukraine. If he feels a weakness on the part of the Ukrainian people, if he feels that they (Ukrainians - "Commander in Chief") can accept the loss of the eastern part of the country, of course, he will bring the troops. To occupy such a large area needs the support of the indigenous population. Why is he still has not sent troops and occupied this territory, you ask? Yes, because he understood that there is no support for it in the East of Ukraine, which was in the Crimea. He realized that Ukraine rallied and funds ready to wage war and to fight. This is Putin and stops. It is said that war - is nonsense, most importantly - maneuvers. We'll now see how he constantly teases the international community, teases the Ukrainian leadership to ensure that we are constantly discussing the likelihood of the introduction of troops. If he enters them, there will be a full-scale, large-scale war. Although, to be honest, most large-scale war is already under way, and Putin has already introduced to the East of Ukraine all that he could enter. Yes, it will continue to send troops, but not under the Russian flag, and not even under the flags of peacekeeping and humanitarian missions, and administered under the brand name of "volunteers" who "go to save their fellow located in Ukraine and subjected to genocide by the Ukrainian nationalists."

I assure you, no matter how many coffins did not go to Russia, it does not affect the situation. The Russian army is terrible that it is not considered neither his nor with other people's losses. In fact, in Ukraine under the pretext of fighting volunteer professionals Russian security agencies, the FSB and the Interior Ministry, and the Ministry of Defence.

I want to believe that the Ukrainian leadership acts confident enough. But with each new victim, especially among the civilian population, will increase pressure on the Ukrainian leadership, both within the country and from abroad, with appeals to stop the war and start negotiations with the separatists in the East of Ukraine. If only the Ukrainian leadership will agree to enter into negotiations, it would be a complete victory for Putin. Just because of one to one situation again, which was in Transnistria, a situation that persisted for over 15 years in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Initiation of a political dialogue with the terrorists will mean the loss of Ukraine's territory. This can not be allowed to happen. It is about the impossibility of negotiating with terrorists should clearly state the Ukrainian leadership. No negotiations with those who are currently waging war against the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian state under the pretext of the idea of independence and self-determination can not be. Just because there are no ideas of independence in the Donbas. There is a subversive and terrorist groups that operate under the highest Russian military and political leadership. And therefore, if and to negotiate, it is only with the Russian leadership about it to stop the ongoing aggression against Ukraine.

In eastern Ukraine are fighting representatives of Chechnya. The press referred to as "Kadyrov's men." Who are these people, how many of them fought in Ukraine for the separatists, and what they were going to war?

I do not know how many. At the beginning of our conversation, I said that the dogs of war have no nationality. These people you should not be regarded as an ethnic group. If today there are people who are willing to fight against the Ukrainian people, protecting the interests of the executioners of their people, it is non-human. So I they never and under no circumstances will I be identified as Chechens, as representatives of the Chechen ethnos. I do not deny that in the power structures of the Russian Federation are working including ethnic Chechens. But they made their choice, by engaging in these power structures, voluntarily agreeing to become the executioners of their own people. Of course, the fact of the presence in the war Chechens - very frustrating. But the problem is not in these hounds of war, and the one who sends them.

This all happens under the supreme commander of the Russian Federation, which is Vladimir Putin. It is clear that he is not personally organized, but everything is under his immediate start. All that is happening now is very similar to what happened in Chechnya during the first Chechen war. Then the war took place about 1.5 million Russian soldiers, among whom were representatives from various regions of Russia, in Yakutia, Siberia, from Ryazan. All Russia, and all law enforcement agencies were required for 3 months, or six months to go to Chechnya. The experience that Putin received the applause of the international community in Chechnya, now he suffers already in Europe. In this case we are talking about Ukraine. Using the same methods, Putin again gaining the dogs of war, mercenaries and sent to fight.

Head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov said that 74 thousand Chechens are ready tomorrow to go to Ukraine and to restore order in the Donbass. How likely?

This is an absolute bravado and fantasy. No 74 thousand Chechens in Ukraine will not go. Go of his inner circle, the so-called representatives of the death squads.

On the basis of the information that I possess no more than one thousand people. But all the thousand Kadyrov war will not send because he himself and these people need to protect and repression. If we start from the quantitative ratio, then the war can go 100-150 people from this thousand. These people will be absolutely enough to create an excuse to talk about the Chechens that they are "rampant, creating death squads and kill people." The method was tested in Abkhazia against Georgia. I know exactly what the conflict in Abkhazia in the early 90-ies of the last century, under the supervision of Shamil Basayev, who at the time worked with the Russian secret services, was no more than 150 people. But around the world, and in particular, the Georgian people it was presented in a way that allegedly Chechen army and Chechen volunteers defeated Georgia. The same myth is now transferred to Ukraine. I assure you that if the Ukrainian leadership somehow dials themselves Ukrainians wishing to help in this war, I know that in Europe, there are tens of thousands of Chechens who absolutely calm will come to defend the interests of the Ukrainian people. They will be guided not only by the protection and fraternal relations with Ukrainians. In the first place they will fight against Russia, which is trying to occupy the Ukraine as well as the occupied Chechnya.

In recent years, the Chechen factor, especially in military conflicts, always dominated. Leaders did not consider it shameful to lose Chechens. But I can assure you that Ukraine would be a shame to lose the Russian army and this rabble who today runs to the east of the country, even if the militants are some Chechens.

Was a story. In Afghanistan, during some operations the Americans failed. The then military leadership of the United States said that, they say, we have lost the battle because the enemy was on the side of so many Chechens. Once upon a time, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, speaking in the House of Lords, wrote off the failure of the operation of the British troops in Iraq that they faced 500 Chechens. Although, in fact, neither in Afghanistan nor in Iraq at the time did not have a single Chechen. Therefore, if your military leadership today will justify their presence in Ukraine defeat Chechen separatists on the side, do not believe it. This is absolute nonsense.

But Ukrainian and Chechen peoples are pitted, regardless of whether we want it or not. Why is Ramzan Kadyrov?

I will not knowingly gave the example of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. After all, there is still a mutual resentment between the Georgian and Chechen peoples, and it has not changed much since the 90's. We, Chechens, throughout the common history of living in the USSR, the best of friends thought the Georgians and Ukrainians. And they both supported the Chechens during the First Chechen War, for example. We have with these nations have a very cordial and friendly, even brotherly relations. You say Kadyrov? Forget it, there is no such person. There is a puppet that will comply with any of its owner. He's directly, directly connected with Putin, without any intermediaries. This is probably the only appointee to the Russian Federation, which has similar privileges. Putin knows that this man under any circumstances can not do otherwise. Because he's absolutely 100% dependent on Putin. Not just its state depends on the will of the president, his power. It is about the life of Kadyrov, which is entirely in the hands of Putin. And Putin understands this, and understands this Ramzan.

Simply put, when Ramzan something voiced, he speaks the language of Putin. Putin had in mind, then Ramzan Kadyrov and Vladimir Zhirinovsky's language. Therefore considered Kadyrov as any separate figure, neither I nor Chechens living in Europe, can not. This also applies to those who are at home in Chechnya, are in a concentration camp, the chief of which is appointed Ramzan Kadyrov. There are so many people who do not agree with what is happening in Ukraine, they enjoy wholeheartedly support Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. So once again I say: if at least some signal from the Ukrainian leadership that Ukraine needs help Chechens, you make sure that my words are true. Tens of thousands of Chechens are ready to help in promoting the interests of Ukraine. I very much hope that the relations between our peoples, no matter how Putin was trying to drive a wedge through Kadyrov, this does not happen. Just because people wise ruling politicians.

Who will lead the Chechens, who can come to fight for Ukraine, who organizes them how to react in various countries in Europe that, because many of them citizens of various countries in the EU, and in accordance with international law, these people will be considered freelancers?

Our interview with you will read not only our friends but also our enemies. And in the manual and in the power structures of Ukraine are very well aware and know how to do it, how to organize it. Therefore, if you wish, and will be the political will, I assure you that it will be very easy to do.

Can not tell you on the subject to say anything. I think this topic does not need to make "on the people." I can only say that such contacts we have, we support them. I'm in Europe. And in Western Europe Ukrainian problem today is a problem №1. I'm in a circle of people who are discussing this topic, so for sure it is claimed.

And how are your relations with the Chechens who live in Ukraine, if they experience any problems in connection with the conflict in the Donbas?

I personally know dozens of Chechen families who for many years lived in Ukraine, but in connection with the events of recent months have been forced uehat.Estestvenno not in Russia and in Chechnya. I know a few cases where the Chechens for their own good representatives of your law enforcement agencies were asked to temporarily leave the country. People explained that against them can be arranged all sorts of provocations.

We are talking about two of my close friends, businessmen. They have not left the country, do not want to endanger them, so to call them names will not. But there are other situations. There are many who supported the Maidan, supports anti-terrorist operation now, many of them fight, resist Russian aggression.

According to our information, the relatives of one of the speakers at the Independence community activists, who was a Chechen, Chechnya threatened. Is this fact took place, what kind of person is it?

Yes, indeed, there was such. This man lives in Europe, and after he spoke at the Maidan in Kiev to his family in occupied Chechnya people came from Russian structures. But I call it as I will not. If we are now said to be the man, it will only exacerbate the problem. As far as I know, in Chechnya relatives of this person is not concerned.

Chechens or no, the folks in Kiev better step up to the plate. Having spent better than 2 hours watching video reports from Ukraine War Blog, etal, there seems to be a glaring lack of initiative on the part of the government in Kiev. There were more BTR 4s at the parade in Kiev than fighting in the Donbass. I watched Ukraine volunteers welding armor on trucks. They are ill-equipped. This was attested to by "Franko" or Mark Paslavsky, the American Ukranian KIA last week. Ammo is not getting there, and sometimes it is of the wrong type. Casualties not being evacuated promptly.

And now it would appear Ukraine volunteers cutoff at Iloviask. True/false? Who knows. But that is what is being said. Time for the higher ups to take things seriously and move supplies to the front.

yes they are

last month, I wrote a paper on what I believe is coming up prophetically

a Islamic resurgence in Russia would explain why Russia invades from the North with Turkey and Ukraine

I did answer your question. I felt Zakayev had unique insights. THAT IS ALL!

I do not know enough about Zakayev to either support nor condemn him.

HOWEVER, may give insight:

Chechen rebellion

“The Chechen insurgency has evolved since the 1990s when Zakayev and other now-dead leaders sought to establish an independent state. The current generation of fighters are NO LONGER BATTLING FOR INDEPENDENCE but want to establish a Taliban-style islamist emirate across Russia’s northern caucasus. [I do not support Islamic caliphate, do you?]

The surviving separatist Chechen exiles from the 1990s have been dubbed “CONSTITUTIONALISTS” to distinguish them FROM the RADICAL Islamist “military resistance” which now dominates the insurgent hierarchy.

The most powerful people currently inside Chechnya, however, are the armed followers of Kadyrov, many of whom have been absorbed into the republic’s security and military structures. They are known as ‘Kadyrovtsy’ and including many former rebels, they are accused of numerous human rights abuses.”

I felt Zakayev had unique insights. THAT IS ALL! I do not know enough about Zakayev to either support nor condemn him.

You seem to follow Russian events. It's hard to believe you don't know that Putin put up a $10 million dollar bounty for Zakayev's boss, in connection with Beslan. He was later found by Spetznaz.

[I do not support Islamic caliphate, do you?]

I don't support psychotic groups merely because they are anti-Putin, as some do.

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