Being as I was there myself, I have never forgiven the politicians for Vietnam, and I never will. BTW, I would include Korean War vets too. That was the first of our no win wars. When I saw the ROE for Iraq/Afghanistan, I thought, here we go again. I heard a Korean War soldier asked Gen MacArthur why we surrendered the initiative to the enemy on the battlefield, the General had no answer for him. F the politicians.