[Jim Noble]

I grew up in New York, my family still lives there, and I visit frequently.

New York is as far gone as California, and in some ways is worse.

Pataki was elected at about the same time as the last Republican governor of California, and the chances that NY will ever elect another one are the same as California, that is to say, zero.

[jalisco555]

I suspect you’re right. People like Cuomo, the Clintons, Obama are dangerous but at least they’re corrupt. The corruption tempers their worst excesses. It’s the honest liberals who are really dangerous.