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Ukraine forces clash with armoured convoy crossing Russia border: Kiev
AFP ^ | 2014/08/25

Posted on 08/25/2014 2:47:31 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Ukraine forces clash with armoured convoy crossing Russia border: Kiev

"The Ukrainian border has been breached by a convoy of several dozen tanks and armoured vehicles" …

Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine said a battle erupted on Monday between border guards and a convoy of "dozens" of armoured vehicles and tanks that entered its territory from Russia near the Azov Sea.

"The Ukrainian border has been breached by a convoy of several dozen tanks and armoured vehicles" which crossed in the area close to Ukraine's industrial city Mariupol, security spokesman Leonid Matyukhin told AFP.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine
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To: wetphoenix; SunkenCiv; gandalftb; nuconvert

Russia is a third world country:

Russian export in 2013 was $526.4 billion

Top ten breakdown:
Mineral fuels including oil: $304,559,452,000 (57.9% of total exports)
Iron and steel: $20,050,729,000 (3.8%)
Pearls, gems, precious metals and coins: $14,367,047,000 (2.7%)
Fertilizers: $9,119,157,000 (1.7%)
Machinery: $8,815,393,000 (1.7%)
Wood: $7,324,251,000 (1.4%)
Aluminum: $7,181,742,000 (1.4%)
Inorganic chemicals: $5,009,209,000 (1%)
Copper: $4,962,945,000 (0.9%)
Electronic equipment: $4,914,638,000 (0.9%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/russias-top-10-exports/2350

This is a typical third world export mix heavily dependent on raw materials.

Compare this to South Korea with a total export of $559.6 billion in 2013 (i.e. larger than Russia)

Top ten breakdown:

Electronic equipment: $135,502,617,000 (24.2% of total exports)
Vehicles excluding trains and streetcars: $72,783,929,000 (13%)
Machinery: $59,327,144,000 (10.6%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $54,093,985,000 (9.7%)
Optical, technical and medical apparatus: $35,946,520,000 (6.4%)
Ships, boats and other floating structures: $35,845,842,000 (6.4%)
Plastics: $31,179,306,000 (5.6%)
Organic chemicals: $24,855,250,000 (4.4%)
Iron and steel: $22,275,412,000 (4%)
Iron or steel products: $11,181,093,000 (2%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/south-koreas-top-10-exports/2302

figures from 2012 : http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3137205/posts?page=67#67

What will happen when the price of oil shrinks to, say, 80?

http://seekingalpha.com/news/1951615-ending-oil-export-ban-would-mean-cheaper-gasoline-conoco-exec-says?uprof=23


41 posted on 08/26/2014 12:33:42 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Are you a neo-mercantilist or what? Don’t you think there is an economy beyond exports exist? Considering a trade deficit with China, how would you rate US economy following your beliefs?


42 posted on 08/26/2014 12:43:59 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix
The export of a product from a country reflects the competitiveness this product has compared to similar products from other countries. The advantages could be price, quality etc.

Obviously Russia has advantages in exporting raw materials, not manufactured goods.

43 posted on 08/26/2014 1:13:29 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

And yep the share of manufacturing in total economy is not much differs from the United States.


44 posted on 08/26/2014 1:17:22 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

“And yep the share of manufacturing in total economy is not much differs from the United States.”

No, It is easy to check the facts:

In 2013 exports from the United States amounted to US$1.579 trillion

United States Top 10 Exports

1. Machinery: $213,108,199,000 (13.5% of total exports)
2. Electronic equipment: $165,604,449,000 (10.5%)
3. Mineral fuels including oil: $148,426,743,000 (9.4%)
4. Vehicles excluding trains and streetcars: $133,640,479,000 (8.5%)
5. Aircraft and spacecraft: $115,380,944,000 (7.3%)
6. Optical, technical and medical apparatus: $84,281,276,000 (5.3%)
7. Pearls, precious stones, precious metals and coins: $72,830,232,000 (4.6%)
8. Plastics: $60,836,970,000 (3.9%)
9. Organic chemicals: $46,510,903,000 (2.9%)
10. Pharmaceutical products: $39,742,717,000 (2.5%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/united-states-top-10-exports/2001


45 posted on 08/26/2014 1:56:23 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Apples and Oranges. I’m talking about economy in general. If something is not exported it doesn’t mean it is not exist at all.


46 posted on 08/26/2014 2:02:50 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Please send a link to a site or an article that describes the type of statistics that you are referring to. A site in Russian is OK.


47 posted on 08/26/2014 4:30:22 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

try CIA factbook to start with.


48 posted on 08/26/2014 4:37:12 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: AdmSmith
BTW, here is a graphics to watch through a growth of oil exporters who has about the same economic weight around 2000. Not that bad for a non-producing cleptocracy, isn't it?
49 posted on 08/26/2014 4:43:51 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Thanks for the link http://voprosik.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/12.png that shows the growth of the economy since 1999 to 2011.

You should at the same time look on the oil price during that period. Check my “about page”. Every time when the oil price is low Russia is reforming and when it is high Russia is wasting its money. Next year it looks as if the oil price will go down well below 100, and this will have consequences. As Putin is slashing the pensions and the health budget for the military it will be domestic problems.

I feel sorry for the ordinary Russians.


50 posted on 08/26/2014 5:02:15 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

If you would check the graphics you would see other oil-exporting countries.
All are positively affected by oil prices, but for some strange reason Russia performs much better.


51 posted on 08/26/2014 5:13:18 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

The swing in much bigger in Russia. The graph is until 2011, now is heading down again.

A more important parameter is the GDP/capita:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Russian Economic Development Minister Aleksei Ulyukayev on Monday called for revising the federal budget parameters in favour of education, healthcare and infrastructure.

http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/746490

Will Putin kick him out from the Government?


52 posted on 08/26/2014 5:29:06 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Russia: “They are not our soldiers. They are separatists and have nothing to do with us. But if they ARE our soldiers, they crossed over by mistake while patrolling the border”

Some things never change.


53 posted on 08/26/2014 5:31:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: AdmSmith

I’m totally agree that GDP per capita is more important and I also a strong believer in an idea that demand for freedom and a rule of law in any society is heavily related to a higher respective number. That is why I think that Western solution to the Ukrainian crisis which is to choke Russia economically is absolutely stupid and would only bring an opposite result.


54 posted on 08/26/2014 6:21:18 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

trade war doesn’t help Ukraine at all


55 posted on 08/26/2014 6:22:12 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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Yep, but I think the globalists who instigated this crisis don’t care about Ukraine at all.


56 posted on 08/26/2014 6:27:45 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Putin is a globalist?


57 posted on 08/26/2014 6:38:37 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

He was guilty of escalation but not an instigator.


58 posted on 08/26/2014 6:46:58 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

he was the instigator of making this an international crisis instead of an internal political realignment after the ouster of a corrupt tyrant.


59 posted on 08/26/2014 6:48:18 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: wetphoenix; SunkenCiv; gandalftb; nuconvert; TigerLikesRooster; Greetings_Puny_Humans; GeronL; ...
Воюем ли мы? = Are we at war?

Will Russia make the same mistake as the Soviet Union?
A question from the Russian business daily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedomosti

They are writing about the new graves in Pskov and the info from the detained Russian soldiers.
http://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/news/32616101/voyuem-li-my
Note the number of "shared" (ab 2 000) and "recommended" (ab 2 150).
60 posted on 08/27/2014 4:47:36 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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