Posted on 08/16/2014 4:38:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Are you telling me you don’t think the country is doomed? You don’t think a collapse is inevitable?
Would you disagree that the typical prepper thinks this?
Exactly! This is the standard prepper mindset. You guys want collapse because you think it's the only way the country can be redeemed.
PLONK!
/johnny
Some of us don’t think the country can be redeemed. I am in that boat.
We cannot murder the unborn. We do not govern as free people. We have not figured out a way to get people such as those in Ferguson to participate in a civil society; what lies just beneath the surface is tribalism and a refusal to contribute. Ditto for gangbangers.
I don’t know what will come. I just know that this cannot continue indefinitely.
My political solution is to disarm most street cops, provide sufficient funding for a small, specialized armed force, and require the police to work themselves out of a job.
/johnny
One more thing.
The level of corruption in DC is beyond the pale of decency. It can neither continue as is nor be rooted out by one election cycle—or two.
No, it's not. Was America supposed to capitulate to the soviets just because our best and brightest believed it would fall of its own internal contradictions?
Advising against listening those who knew the soviets could not maintain their empire without our help would have been, in retrospect, asinine.
I would add that collapsing the “zeitgeist” would have a lot of collateral damage beyond just the structures that deserve to be collapsed (or reformed). A collapse in the full SHTF sense would involve the whole nation and its people.
The police should police- protect and serve, build community relationships. If they do get overwhelmed by a riot situation the governor should call out the National Guard to regain control. That is my opinion. Police departments cannot function like your local law enforcement one moment and an army the next. If the LEO are handy enough or have enough different type of officers to make that work- community perception will not allow it to work very long. There is a limit to what people are willing to accept and many have reached that limit or getting close.
Perception of LEO right now is thugs playing army that are kicking in doors for possession of marijuana, parking tickets, etc. and often kicking the wrong doors in at that. Perception is LEO are killing family pets, wounding and killing innocent people left and right. That perception is an exaggeration of reality. I still believe most LEOs are not thugs by far,by but the militarization is not helping with public opinion.
The militarization of so many federal agencies is even worse, few agencies need armed personnel- even fewer need anything close to a SWAT team or a small army.
Oh look, you’ve defined plonk. This is an attempt at ridicule, right?
My local police wind up doing a lot of stuff that probably isn't in the job description. Things like helping Animal Control (or taking over for them on the weekends) and code enforcement kind of stuff.
That isn't killing people and breaking things, which is what the military does.
/johnny
Take it back one step further: policy.
You create the police you need to enforce policy. As such, policy makers will ignore your suggested reforms as surely as a collectivist ignores individual liberties.
There won't be an answer to your hard question.
/johnny
I understand the sentiment. I just don't think anything constructive can come from it. I think it carries the risk of being self-fulfilling.
My daughter has rules. No running, jumping, or touching each other in the house. She has them written on a board on the wall.
When I enforce those, I tell the grandkids to read them, and tell me which one they broke.
I didn't make the rules, I enforce them. I wouldn't enforce them if they didn't make sense.
But there is ONE policy now and forever, and it's hanging on the wall for me and the grandkids to read.
/johnny
You don't know that, it's strictly speculation on your part.
They may ask you to explain parts to them.
/johnny
But that doesn't mean you have to disclose the policy you establish, particularly if said policies would prove unpopular.
With that in mind, establishing a police presence that walks, talks, and swims like a duck would seem prima facie evidence you intend to move toward policies that require ducks to enforce them.
You should read the things that preppers write. It’s clear that they’re waiting for a total collapse that would drastically affect the life of every man, woman, and child.
/johnny
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