Posted on 08/13/2014 8:30:31 AM PDT by Mariner
On Tuesday #Anonymous released the private information of St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar and his wife and children.
The group posted a link to the information in a tweet.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
Never? Doubt that.
Look, if you wish to go join some anti-cop vigilante group, be my guest. But don’t bring any of it here.
Here’s one forming now: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3192514/posts
Suit up and go for it
Oh....really????
I guess that's why there's basically this ‘app’ to track their ‘good records’...
Head...meet sand.
Yes, really.
I am aware of the Cato Report.
Cato is pushing the idea that SWAT operations are overused and constitute excessive force for many of the SWAT team operations, especially for “non violent drug offenders” ( CATO is a Libertarian think tank and is often opposed to hard core drug enforcement).
As part of the stats they include SWAT mistaken raids on innocent people, mistaken identity or wrong addresses.
They also break them down by year. Filtering for Mistaken Raids of all types by individual year is very instructional.
In the years 2000-2010 there seemed to about 10-220 of these cases per year nation wide in the entire country out of a total of 40,000 total SWAT raids each year. Not a huge amount relative to total number, but significant if it's your house they raided.
For comparison purposes, there are on average 55 people nation wide who are killed by being struck by lightning.
About 2010, there was a growing awareness that SWAT teams were making too many mistaken raids.
Based on this awareness, SWAT teams became more careful in their procedures to avoid mistaken raids on both innocent people or mistaken addresses.
If you look at the stats, the number of recorded bad SWAT raids was zero in 2012 and all of two so far in 2014.
These are probably under counted, but there does seem to be noticeable trend for SWAT teams to tighten up their procedures and clean up their act to eliminate mistaken raids on innocent people, mistaken identity or wrong addresses.
Thanks for opinion that I have my head in the sand. It's a big and positive step up from the place where lots of other people accuse my head of being lodged most of the time :-)
Agreed, but the “us against them” attitude (both sides) is a concern, along with “militarization” of the local police. My local PD (Clovis) is still a “cop on the beat” type dept., fortunately, but is now short-staffed based on population and cannot “walk a beat” or do neighborhood patrols anymore...they are constantly going from call to call.
I didn't even post the link.
When he supports a false report or backs up a lying officer that’s when he sinks as low as the rest of them.
it is a concern.
I didn't say you did.
I said you posted "just a way to get the link to it."
Would have been a nice cover if I didn't correct your dodge with this post.
What sic SWAT on a house with children present and with a no-knock warrant?
Do you contend that was a good thing?
Based on the CNN articles statement that the SWAT raid was motivated by the visit of an informant who had been in the house that evening to buy methamphetamine and the testimony of the babies own parents that they took the baby into a separate room and closed the door when drug buyers were in the house to buy drugs so people would not know there was a child in the meth house I would contend that the informant never saw the baby, was unaware there even was a baby in the house and thus was unable to inform police of presence of a child in the house.
You may draw your own conclusions if you wish, and I suspect your mind may already be made up irreversibly on the topic.
They could pick this person up when he is out and about, or even raid the house when the other residents are all out and about.
I guess this would take some actual police work instead of slam-bang SWAT tactics
Please pull?
Check your mail
Threads cannot divide. They can only show we were never of the same mind in the first place.
I know just enough html to add paragraphs to my postings lol
Wanting to learn more about the local PD, I enrolled in and completed the citizen police academy. I wonder how many FReepers have done the same, you know, learn about something, to look at things from all sides. . .
Very interesting class, learned a lot about laws, policies, practices, everything about the PD; from local patrol and traffic enforcement, to criminal investigations involving murder and child abuse (gawd-awful some of the photos and the child abuse would make you cry).
Anyway, very interesting class on the local PD.
Had a session on SWAT team operations.
The usual that you would expect, sniper rifles and AR-15’s, to a lesson on tear-gas and flash-bang grenades. No armored vehicles though. All the SWAT guys were physically studded-out. Steroid abuse, I think.
Anyway, they showed us a video from a no-knock raid on a residence they conducted.
They wore personal cameras so we saw the raid from their perspective.
Set-up: Seems some guy was lurking in shopping centers and waiting for unsuspecting women to leave the stores and drive home, with him following. He would then follow them into the garage and rape them in their home.
The SWAT teams had him under surveillance for several days at his residence, actually, his parents’ home, and knew his routine and that he slept on the living-room couch fold-out bed.
The SWAT team conducted a no-knock raids at 0300hrs and the video was full of noise (flash-bang), yelling and breaking glass.
One SWAT member goes down the hall to the rear of the home and the dad stumbles out from the bedroom in his t-shirt and shorts and was yelled at to get down while at the same time thrown to the ground.
The SWAT guys told us how it was a great arrest and worked according to plan.
I asked the SWAT guys what would have happened to the father if he came out of the room with a firearm.
They answered he would have been “taken down.”
I replied, ‘wait, you told us the parents didn’t know what their son was up to and if someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night I’m coming out shooting.”
The SWAT guy, with a smirk, replied, “Well, officer safety comes first.” Totally missing the point.
I then asked the SWAT team why they did a middle of the night no-knock raid when they observed this guy for days and knew his routine and all they had to do was wait for him to come out his front door in the morning and arrest him.
Stunned, deer-in-headlights moment.
Stammering an answer was something along the lines of “Well, we um, we couldn’t risk him getting away.”
Rubbish and I told them so. They we not pleased with me.
Met with the Chief of Police and relayed my concerns. He is a new chief and is a nice guy and was not from around here when the raid happened. He told me that since he arrived he has been taking on the SWAT team for ‘issues’ he discovered.
I think he is getting a saddle on those boys.
And the officers, the regular officers on patrol that I met over those 3-months, most did not have a high opinion of SWAT and thought SWAT was too zealous.
Most police officers are regular guys, average Joe’s doing a job the best they know how. They are not black-hearts salivating at the chance to shoot someone or violate rights.
They are honest men.
So, SWAT can be an issue but that doesn’t mean they are un-monitored and running wild, and from my experience, the beat cops are hard-working and honest, where JBTs are an exception rather than the rule.
Regarding abuses, all its takes in some citizen to make an office call with the Chief or Internal Affairs, and failing that, the FBI (as incompetent as most are) relish taking down local cops.
Calling for police officers (and their families) to live in fear is unfair and un-American.
“I contend it’s a good thing they can no longer be Anonymous.”
I generally agree with that. When justice breaks down, such as it has when a cop can kill a citizen or his dog and not be held accountable for it, then the cop becomes the enemy of the citizens. It’s bound to happen that the citizens will extract their own justice. Unfortunately, that can get messy...
It’s a good thing that cops know that they WILL be held accountable, one way or another for their actions. The only way to rectify this in a civilized manner is for the state to hold them accountable (which they don’t seem inclined to do).
SWAT tried to.
Based on the informant, the cops were only aware of the Meth dealer and his two guards being at the meth house because the Baby and his parents hid in a separate room and closed the door when drug deals were going down.
Methamphetamine destroys everything it come in contact with. Meth addiction is the worst way to die and one hit is often enough to get many people hooked and on their way down the highway to hell.
IMHO, Meth dealers are the scum of the earth and deserve to be executed.
YMMV
“To a degree, I think that way. For instance: had the police immediately taken the shooter into custody and scheduled a bond hearing they might not be dealing with the situation as it is now.”
And... To not release his name suggests (to me anyway) that they have no intention of prosecuting him... It seems that they never do.
>>Well keep in mind, it’s ok when the left does it! If conservatives tried anything like this, there would be howls of screamed & feigned outrage, & accusations of racism & brutality from the very same leftists & media who are doing this!<<
Two words, Valerie Plame...
That should be 10-22 bad SWAT raids per year nation wide, not 220.
Overall, SWAT Teams are generally very professional and have very good records in dealing with dangerous situations while protecting the by standing public
Oh....really????
I guess that's why there's basically this ‘app’ to track their ‘good records’...
Head...meet sand.
Yes, really.
I am aware of the Cato Report.
Cato is pushing the idea that SWAT operations are overused and constitute excessive force for many of the SWAT team operations, especially for “non violent drug offenders” ( CATO is a Libertarian think tank and is often opposed to hard core drug enforcement).
As part of the stats they include SWAT mistaken raids on innocent people, mistaken identity or wrong addresses.
They also break them down by year. Filtering for Mistaken Raids of all types by individual year is very instructional.
In the years 2000-2010 there seemed to about 10-22 of these cases per year nation wide in the entire country out of a total of 40,000 total SWAT raids each year. Not a huge amount relative to total number, but significant if it's your house they raided.
For comparison purposes, there are on average 55 people nation wide who are killed by being struck by lightning.
About 2010, there was a growing awareness that SWAT teams were making too many mistaken raids.
Based on this awareness, SWAT teams became more careful in their procedures to avoid mistaken raids on both innocent people or mistaken addresses.
If you look at the stats, the number of recorded bad SWAT raids was zero in 2012 and all of two so far in 2014.
These are probably under counted, but there does seem to be noticeable trend for SWAT teams to tighten up their procedures and clean up their act to eliminate mistaken raids on innocent people, mistaken identity or wrong addresses.
Thanks for opinion that I have my head in the sand. It's a big and positive step up from the place where lots of other people accuse my head of being lodged most of the time :-)
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