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To: BlueDragon
Ukraine still owes Russia a great deal, which Russia likely won't see anytime soon if at all. No bribe about it. If you owe, you owe regardless.

As for RT information....it's wise to know what both sides of any issue is saying so I will continue to view RT and other foreign news sites as well as our own, which if you care to look you will find well informed American, and other national leaders, speaking and debating ‘there’ because our news sources won't air differing views that aren't in line with obamas agenda.

Furthermore if leading journalists, politicians and news agencies are viewing RT and commenting favorable or not...so too will I and others. Without knowing what others are saying and debating you will only have a closed view of what's occurring.

You are mistaken to think that people on FR are being lead by any...Freepers are free thinkers period, and don't need to be lead nor do they have a desire to be so. But they are certainly free to agree with others point of view based on their own conclusions and perceptions.

The situation with Ukraine is not simple no matter what view one has, and most have several because it's so layered with many moving parts and parties involved. Additionally Ukraine is a pivot nation that many have vested interest in. The last thing it's about is what the citizens of Ukraine want.

39 posted on 08/07/2014 10:35:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

If you are going to go to all the trouble to tell me things I already know, then why not extend just a bit more effort to acknowledge that large portions of the funds sent months ago to Ukraine went to the Russians to pay down part of the debt for (chiefly) natural gas used by Ukraine in the past Fall/Winter period?

In that way it was something of a bribe from the West, to Russia, for Western nations did not owe Ukraine, but instead in effect made partial payment on Ukraine's past due bill to Russia.

That was the point I was hoping to make. I mean...how obvious does it have to be? Please don't tell me you didn't catch on to that when it was occurring.

As long as it is recognized that that station has agenda to (usually subtly) demonize the West (the U.S. in particular) while making Russia out to be 'righteous' (which it is not much) then go ahead and look, but do not believe a single things you are hearing. Chasing down each and every item to verify or falsify it, would make watching that station a full time job for more than a few people. The distortions that can be found there are hidden behind the complexities of the situations which are there touched upon. Beware.

Personally, I think there are people here on FR (and worse elsewhere in the U.S.) who have been fallen into something a trance, believing far too much of the Russian propaganda. It is far easier to tell lies than it is to unwrap and expose the errors, shadings and outright lies mixed in with all the rest.

How many news anchors have to quit in disgust before you get it? RT is a U.S. based, Russian propaganda outlet. It is it's very reason for being.

I am mistaken nothing here.

People are influenced and led (one way or another) even on the pages of FR. I have noticed that phenom in other contexts (besides talking about Ukraine).

What I was talking about on that score was not only RT, but the noisy one which I had mentioned. THAT person does try to lead people around this way or that, ridiculing each and every statement which does not align with Putin propaganda RT spin. I've seen enough of that. The pattern has had enough filling out since February to see it for what it is.

Not all freepers are that "free" of thinkers either, sad to say. Over the years, some of the best and wisest among us have literally died off. A few others have been virtually run off by the ignorant. For many others, the complexity of the situation itself precludes fuller expression..so we end up with short quips of comment instead.

Comment away. Whatever blows your skirts up.

When living in times of near universal deceit, with some of that arising innocently enough due to lack of full information, and/or the very complexities there honestly are to things, too close of focus on "what they are saying" can produce distraction from the more fundamental -- with that fundamental also often enough viewed differently from either side as they become enraptured of their own rhetoric, as is the case for the Russians and their seeming supporters here on FR, even more than the self aware(?), conflicted and complicated "West".

In this instance there needs to be far more than simply listening (and believing) to RT criticisms of European Eastern Trade Alliance

You don't say.

43 posted on 08/08/2014 3:02:04 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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