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To: ChildOfThe60s

FMJ is standard for combat. It might even be required by some treaty or convention.


24 posted on 08/03/2014 9:33:57 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yes, it is in the Geneva Convention under use of expanding or “dum dum” bullets as they used to be called.


46 posted on 08/03/2014 10:22:28 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Interesting. But with fmj you lose some of the advantages of a larger caliber. I suppose there is more penetration, if that’s what they are looking for.


47 posted on 08/03/2014 10:25:19 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Geneva Convention requires FMJ ammo. Thus the movie. I have many rounds of mil-surp ammo in many calibers, it is all FMJ.


48 posted on 08/03/2014 10:30:21 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“It might even be required by some treaty or convention.”

It is.


53 posted on 08/03/2014 11:09:05 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
It might even be required by some treaty or convention.

It is a mistaken belief that the Geneva Convention applies to ammunition; it does not. The one that does is the First Hague Convention of 1899, to which the U.S. is not a signatory. However, there is a provision in the Second Hague Convention of 1907 against ammunition designed to cause cruel or extraordinary wounding, and we are signatories to that convention.

It is arguable that expanding ammunition is not intended to cause any sort of wounding at all, but a quick and humane kill. That is certainly the argument for its employment in hunting. Were I to decide, we'd be using it at least in handguns, which do not (usually) develop the muzzle velocity necessary for tissue supercavitation that does occur in rifle ammunition and is the reason that rifle fire tends to be more lethal than pistol fire.

81 posted on 08/04/2014 3:01:37 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Jeff Chandler
FMJ is standard for combat. It might even be required by some treaty or convention.

Hollowpoints are banned under the Hague Convention of 1899. It would be more productive to just declare that we will no longer subscribe to these treaties.

97 posted on 08/11/2014 8:14:23 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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