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Posted on 08/03/2014 4:48:17 PM PDT by Innovative
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Because the first test results on Brantly were 100% correct.
Because the first test results on the Nigerian healthcare workers were 100% correct.
Right?
Africa has been dealing with Ebola outbreaks for almost 40 years, and the total death toll numbers in the hundreds.
Aids has killed 36 million in 33 years, and I don't know the totals for things like Malaria and cholera.
They put the plane back into service, crew and passengers went home, and my guess is that the woman’s body will be returned to her home.
I doubt that they are wrong about her test results.
You are claiming that they are wrong about the woman’s test results, we should know pretty soon shouldn’t we.
>> a negative test for ebola doesn’t mean she did not in fact have it <<
Of course. You can always say the same for any test, for any disease, at any time. It’s a matter of simple logic, because we know that mistakes are always possible — at least to some degree or another.
Still, the foregoing “logical conclusion” doesn’t prevent one from making a probability-based judgment that the UK authorities are most likely doing a competent job in this case, and that neither gross incompetence nor conspiracy is involved in their decisions on the matter.
I’m not claiming that they’re wrong about the woman’s tests.
I AM claiming that those particular kinds of tests have a disturbingly high rate of false negatives.
We’d ALL better hope, since the plane was returned to service, that the tests were correct.
If that test WAS wrong we will all be in a world of hurt.
Only a non scientist puts 100% faith in ANY test. And that’s the VHF test itself. Not counting in lab errors of some sort where the wrong sample gets tested.
Imagine, having already been symptomatic, Dr. Brantly having been allowed to take that long transatlantic flight having initially tested negative for Ebola.
And the lab in Nigeria that did the initial tests on the affected MD there likely was staffed by either western or western trained techs. And that first test was negative as well. In spite of said MD already being symptomatic.
She didn't have it.
” She didn’t have it.”
She tested negative. You don’t have a science background, do you?
You have spent days trying to spread hysteria and panic, not useful information.
As far as your determination to convince people that this woman was indeed a carrier.
To: Black Agnes
They put the plane back into service, crew and passengers went home, and my guess is that the woman’s body will be returned to her home.
I doubt that they are wrong about her test results.
You are claiming that they are wrong about the woman’s test results, we should know pretty soon shouldn’t we.
64 posted on 8/4/2014 9:43:26 AM by ansel12
Please cite my spreading hysteria.
I await links to posts.
Otherwise you’re just being antagonistic.
Point where I claimed they were wrong about the test on the woman at Gatwick.
Specific quote and link to post.
I await your reply!
Meanwhile, educate yourself in basic test reliability here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3188654/posts
“False-Negative Results of Plasma of Patients with Severe Viral Hemorrhagic Fever (Ebola)”
“Viral hemorrhagic fevers (VHF) are acute infections with high case fatality rates, associated with the risk of nosocomial transmission (3). A rapid confirmation of the clinical diagnosis is therefore required by methods such as antigen capture enzyme immunoassay and serologic detection of immunoglobulin M. With the development of PCR technology, it has become possible to rapidly test for viruses that cause VHF (4, 5, 10). We have recently confirmed a case of acute yellow fever with fulminating hepatic failure by reverse transcription-PCR (RT-PCR) (2). In spite of the very high viral RNA concentration in the plasma sample, it initially tested negative.”
Exerpted from:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC139694/
I’ll let people look at your posting history, they can see your efforts quickly.
And if you aren’t disagreeing with me about the woman not having Ebola, then what are you raging about?
The woman didn’t have Ebola, since you agree, there isn’t anything to argue about.
Nope.
YOu made an accusation.
Back it up or you’re full of it.
Specifics. Cite them.
You are insisting that the woman did NOT have ebola.
I merely countered with ‘she merely tested negative’.
For ANYONE in any science field those are two TOTALLY different things.
Particularly with a disease that seems to have an inordinantly high number of false negatives from people who are already symptomatic and go on to later test positive and do indeed have the disease.
And I will repeat my earlier assertion. We had better ALL hope that the negative test was in fact ‘a fact’ and not just a false negative. Particularly if that airline was put back into service and the other passengers allowed to disperse.
Well, if the woman infected the plane, or any of the passengers, the crew, and the medical people and the people that will be shipping her back to her funeral and burial, then we should be hearing about it soon.
In roughly 3 weeks.
Maybe sooner.
It was probably an MI or clot.
Let’s hope, for the sake of the UK, that it was one of those. They’ve apparently only got TWO level 4 isolation beds in all of London.
In the meanwhile we can accept that it wasn’t Ebola, so let’s stop beating that horse.
We can’t accept that it was NOT ebola until the period of transmission/infection has passed.
We won’t, in fact, know that it was NOT ebola for about 3 more weeks.
One of the side effects of ebola infection is heart attack and clots. Because it wrecks your clotting mechanism.
LOL, Sure let’s keep feeding on her death for weeks and milk it for everything we can.
I will sure be messy when the contaminated plane and all the people involved to date and who will be dealing with her body back in Africa have to deal with learning it was actually Ebola that killed her.
Ok, it’s obvious that YOU are the one with an agenda.
If you had had even one college level science class you’d realize that a negative test doesn’t mean someone doesn’t have something. In the presence of symptoms, negative tests frequently turn positive when retested.
You are the one that keeps this thread going with your insistence that she didn’t have ebola.
In fact, we won’t know for 3 weeks if she did or did not have ebola. And then, only if her contacts become ill.
Africa has enough problems. And Gambia Bird is a nationally subsidized airline. They’re thinking of the bottom financial line.
We can all hope that this was a simple age related MI or clot. But the FACT is that we won’t know for SURE for 3 weeks.
Sorry if facts are problematic for you.
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