[PieterCasparzen]

Think of how many P-51’s and dive bombers could have been manufactured if we never built any B-17’s or B-29’s.

So you do wish we had lost the war. What a stupid concept, to think that we had the intel and targeting capability to attack successfully individual targets. But what of the indiscriminate fragmentation? That could kill 'innocents' as well.

Dude, you don't think there was aerial reconnaissance in WWII ? We had B-29s overflying doing recon from 30,000 feet. We had various aerial recon equipment from all altitudes. You know that. You continue to try to convince that our military was "helpless" to oppose Japanese air defenses, when, according to my earlier post quote, which I doubt would be denied by any serious military historian, by April 1945 Japanese air defenses were pretty much defunct. That was without concentrating 100% effort against them. AA guns can be photographed from 30,000 ft and targeted for desctruction.

With what in WWII? Our satellites? AA was and is mobile, no ongoing intel/comm pictures a few hours old are useless considering the CEP of the weapon systems of that era.

Dude ! There are after action reports. "golly, there was AA on the west side of town by X. Ok, tomorrow we'll be sure to drop them a visit".

You act as if it is nuclear bomb or NOTHING. If there WAS NO nuclear bomb available, it would have been an invasion. I know that it contradicts your heroic atomic bomb dogma, but how many would you be willing to slaughter by sending them into a ground war - and leaving the Japanese air force happily operating because they are "off limits" ?

What are you, ten? You have all this regard for the civilians of Japan, but obviously none for American airmen. No way to communicate those positions for the 'second' strike. You have no concept of what WWII was about tactically, you continue to embarrass yourself for the sake of your Just War theory. Just argue that, leave aviation, targeting, intel, communications, and any other defense related topic off the table.

LOL, that's funny, you're a funny guy. So because I'm opposed to dropping an atomic bomb on civilians, suddenly now I must also be oppposed to a handful of civilians being killed unintentionally by bombs targeted at military targets !

Once one buys into the "atomic bomb saved us all" myth, one must cling to the idea that any and all other options would have destroyed America and lost the war, and we'd all be speaking Japanese today.

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Dude, you don't think there was aerial reconnaissance in WWII ? We had B-29s overflying doing recon from 30,000 feet.

Photos 36+ hours old on a mobile asset? Yeah, recipe for success. You realize that they had to have hard copy of the photo? Couldn't just zoom it over on the computer. Once the Japs figured out an idiot was in charge of targeting and cities and factories by cities were off the list, those guns would disappear. Then you could search Kyushu Shikoku and Honshu with aerial photography from the 40's. This is getting painful.

Dude ! There are after action reports. "golly, there was AA on the west side of town by X. Ok, tomorrow we'll be sure to drop them a visit".

"Golly Higher HQ, you really are stupid if you think these things will still be there now that there is no reason to protect a point target. The Japs will camouflage these things, and now that our dummy CiC has us flying at 1500 feet, we won't be able to find them if they move them 300 meters. Course we can try again tomorrow and search based on the wreckage from today's flight."

You act as if it is nuclear bomb or NOTHING. If there WAS NO nuclear bomb available, it would have been an invasion.

Hey dumski, those were the two options, and it was an atomic weapon, not a nuke. The other COAs like blockade etc including I'm sure some versions of your idiotic plan were considered and rejected.

I know that it contradicts your heroic atomic bomb dogma, but how many would you be willing to slaughter by sending them into a ground war - and leaving the Japanese air force happily operating because they are "off limits" ?

Yeah, that's my plan, Jap forces off limits. Casualty estimates for invasion were around a million Allied men. No force of the Japs was untouchable before or after. The Japs shepherded their resources for the invasion, they were ready to sacrifice their children in this battle.

LOL, that's funny, you're a funny guy. So because I'm opposed to dropping an atomic bomb on civilians, suddenly now I must also be oppposed to a handful of civilians being killed unintentionally by bombs targeted at military targets ! LOL, that's funny, you're a funny guy. So because I'm opposed to dropping an atomic bomb on civilians, suddenly now I must also be oppposed to a handful of civilians being killed unintentionally by bombs targeted at military targets !

Hiroshima and Nagasaki both had military and industrial targets in them. You are opposed to the deaths of the civilians there, what the hell is the difference when you could have 5000 a DAY in your plan? One on every sortie, in 4 months we exceed the toll of the bombs. I guess you just hate the idea that we did it all at once.

Once one buys into the "atomic bomb saved us all" myth, one must cling to the idea that any and all other options would have destroyed America and lost the war, and we'd all be speaking Japanese today.

No, once one doesn't drop the bomb for their morality's sake one has to take the credit for the lost million and their progeny. All of our POWs. The utter devastation of the Jap home islands, millions of civilian casualties, and a hardening of sentiment where forgiveness and healing could occur.