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To: Pelham

?? The President is CIC and directs the overall war strategy at the highest level.

Generals follow orders.

FDR and all his advisors were from the old-money “Eastern Establishment”, they were all Rockefeller/wall street/harvard/yale/etc. men, starting with Sect’y of War Stimson.


145 posted on 08/02/2014 5:49:57 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

” The President is CIC and directs the overall war strategy at the highest level. Generals follow orders.”

Know a lot of general officers do you?

The “Generals follow orders” part makes me think that you are a bit unfamiliar with the breed. Hollywood may like to portray American generals as men who obediently follow orders, but then Hollywood is largely populated by fools and leftists. You shouldn’t follow their example.

To be accurate you should have said something along the lines of “Generals are obliged to follow lawful orders and have a duty to disobey unlawful ones”, but even that doesn’t capture the world as it is.

One of the generals involved in this discussion is MacArthur. And MacArthur openly defied President Truman during Korea. If we are to believe your version of history MacArthur was too shy in 1945 to speak up when this same Truman and a bunch of Harvard eggheads were ordering him around. This is amusing in its naivete. MacArthur wasn’t convinced that God outranked him.

Another officer, this one senior even to MacArthur, was William Leahy. Leahy opposed dropping the atomic bombs, he thought it was immoral. If we are to believe you he was willing to openly condemn American strategy, but somehow neglected to mention the cabal of Ivy Leaguers responsible for ordering it.

There have been other senior military officers who have openly defied and openly criticized the Presidents they worked for. General Singlaub said that Carter’s Korea policy was going to lead to war. Admiral US Grant Sharp bashed Lyndon Johnson and his advisors during Vietnam. Admiral La Rocque spent the 1980s attacking Reagan.

You expect us to believe that the senior Generals and Admirals who dropped the bomb didn’t think it was necessary, but did it anyway because they were ordered to by an Ivy League cabal. And yet none of them ever bothered to mention it, except somehow you know about it.

Well I don’t have much use for Ivy Leaguers but I still say ‘prove it’. I don’t believe you have psychic powers so you are going to have to provide evidence. Show us the orders. Show us who gave them. Show us where these senior generals and admirals say that they were ordered by Truman and his advisors to drop the bombs against their better judgment. The closest you will ever come is Admiral Leahy’s objection to the bombs but he never claimed anyone forced the decision on his fellow officers. The story you are expecting us to accept is just conspiracy nonsense if you can’t cough up some evidence.


245 posted on 08/04/2014 12:55:15 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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