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Break up the states! The case for the United Statelets of America
Salon ^ | July 28, 2014 | Michael Lind

Posted on 07/29/2014 5:43:20 AM PDT by C19fan

A ballot initiative that would support breaking California into six smaller and more coherent states is being backed by Timothy Draper, a tech investor. It’s a great idea. But why stop with California? Breaking up all of the too-large states would increase both the accountability and efficiency of the U.S. government.

America’s state governments are too big to be democratic and too small to be efficient. Given an adequate tax base, public services like public schools and hospitals, utilities and first responders are best carried out by cities and counties. Most infrastructure is either local or regional or national. Civil rights, including workers’ rights, should be handled at the federal level, to eliminate local pockets of tyranny and exploitation. Social insurance systems are most efficient and equitable when they are purely national, like Social Security and Medicare, and inefficient and inequitable when they are clumsily divided among the federal government and the states, like unemployment insurance, Medicaid and Obamacare.

So what are state governments particularly good at? Nothing, really. They interfere in local government, cripple the federal government, shake down lobbyists and waste taxpayer money.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: communism; states
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To: Iron Munro

99% of the problems in the cities and the states begin and end with the bloated, overbearing, life sucking, parasitic federal government.>>>>>>

True.


21 posted on 07/29/2014 6:31:35 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Izzy Dunne

How would you divide Hollywood and Buttsexia?


22 posted on 07/29/2014 6:51:26 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ilovesarah2012
I am sure there are but I think they are vastly outnumbered.

That must be why Michigan has a GOP super majority state government including an elected GOP SOS and elected GOP AG, passed an unpassable RTW law etc. Terri Land is back on top in the polls for the senate seat as well.

The simple fact is that if we don't fight for the whole country, we WILL lose the whole country.

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23 posted on 07/29/2014 6:53:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: defconw

Yep. It amazes me that conservatives whine about Obama tossing our allies overboard but will turn around and suggest doing the same to millions of allies based on geography.


24 posted on 07/29/2014 6:56:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Most of this country is RED. It’s the cities that are BLUE, so therefore I think we need to break up the cities. They are just large cesspools any way, by and large.


25 posted on 07/29/2014 6:58:31 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Vigilanteman
How would you divide Hollywood and Buttsexia?

Yeah, that's a tough one. I was thinking San Fransicko would be the capital of Buttsexia, and Los Angeles the capital of Hollywood.

If you have a better idea, lay it on me.

26 posted on 07/29/2014 7:29:47 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: C19fan

The states are the last remaining check on the Feds power, and, even though it has been much diminished by the 16 & 17 amendments, Rick Perry’s call- out of the National Guard, reminds the Feds that it could be resurrected and used against them. Solution: dismantle states completely so that the fed reigns supreme.

This is a trial balloon.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 7:31:52 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: C19fan
Adding more states by breaking up larger ones would create a situation similar to France with it departments which are little more than divisions of the central government and all decisions are really made in Paris.
28 posted on 07/29/2014 7:52:29 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: DownInFlames

Bingo. The 17th needs to go.


29 posted on 07/29/2014 7:58:15 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: C19fan

What we need is a peaceful separation from the DC bandits. NE proglodytes run the show and none of us share their common goal to enslave the rest of us. Let the blue states or counties unite and form their own country and the red states do likewise. We would be free of the sniveling liberals, the moochers, the queers, and the control freaks.


30 posted on 07/29/2014 8:11:53 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I think there is a fundamental limit to the amount of people who can be governed by OUR system of government effectively. I think that number is around 100 million.

We have 300+ million people right now...

I think we need to split america into three countries...

Pacifica, Atlantica, and Heartland.


31 posted on 07/29/2014 8:18:40 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I would rather see liberal cities walled off from the other areas of the USA. Just think, build a wall around them like the body does to isolate a boil or pustule since that is what some of these DEM controlled cities are.


32 posted on 07/29/2014 8:21:52 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

And it certainly wouldn’t hurt to have more than 1 representative to every 700,000+ population. We stopped adding them in 1911. Why?


33 posted on 07/29/2014 8:38:59 AM PDT by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“So what are state governments particularly good at? Nothing, really. They interfere in local government, cripple the federal government, shake down lobbyists and waste taxpayer money.”

He says crippling the federal govt like that’s a bad thing. LOL!


34 posted on 07/29/2014 8:40:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: C19fan

35 posted on 07/29/2014 8:50:02 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: cripplecreek

Obama was reelected. That says it all.


36 posted on 07/29/2014 1:20:24 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: C19fan
Breaking up all of the too-large states would increase both the accountability and efficiency of the U.S. government.

This author has it backwards. It's the states to which the federal government should be accountable, not the other way around.

The states were to be the governing bodies of day-to-day laws and civil society. The federal government was only created to oversee interstate issues, the common defense, and foreign affairs on behalf of all the states.

So what are state governments particularly good at? Nothing, really. They interfere in local government, cripple the federal government, shake down lobbyists and waste taxpayer money.

That's because the federal government usurped the natural role of the state governments. Since the passing of the 17th amendment, the states no longer have any control over the federal government.

The federal government takes taxes from the states, then passes unfunded mandates back onto the states, and then makes the states come begging for money from the federal government, money which should have never left the states in the first place.

-PJ

37 posted on 07/29/2014 1:28:39 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
The federal government takes taxes from the states, then passes unfunded mandates back onto the states, and then makes the states come begging for money from the federal government, money which should have never left the states in the first place.

Exactly. The feds use our money to exert control. For instance, Obama will only give Michigan $250 million for infrastructure on this end of the international trade crossing bridge if our governor gives $100 million of it to union pension funds. Its something we could easily fund on our own if it weren't for all the money taken by the feds in the first place.
38 posted on 07/29/2014 1:49:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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