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To: devolve

“- I believe that is an actual authentic antique Colt revolver...”

If that is so, the pictured gun has been the subject of extensive rework. Refinish is either nickel or chrome plate: difficult to differentiate in a photo, easier in person. But the rounded edges and dished-out holes where the three screws come through give it away. The placement of the stop notches in relation to the nipple recesses does not match an original, and there aren’t any nipples.

Interesting caliber conversion.

“- Sam Colt was quite stubborn and resisted updating to a much stronger one-piece full frame with the barrel firmly screwed into to frame.

- Sam Colt died in 1862 - early in the War between the States. ...”

Sam might not be so highly regarded had he lived. As devolve has noted, he resisted every innovation that made the revolver such a success in the last 1/3 of the 19th century (metallic cartridges, solid frames, double action).

His cap-and-ball configurations (frame, cylinder arbor, barrel wedged on the front) were indeed less stout, but they are easier to clean and maintain than any competing design. And any arm firing black powder simply *must* be taken to bits for thorough cleaning, if the owner wants it to remain reliable and to last.

The Smith & Wesson hinged frame was another amazing innovation for its time, but total strength was scarcely any better than the barrel-wedge configuration of the original Colts. Henninger and Mason’s solid frame Single Action Army was a better bet for strength and durability - key attributes for the Ordnance Corps. Annoyingly, the latch is the weakest point of the Nr 3 and all smaller S&W top-break revolvers; only a little wear loosens the joint to the point where the arm will pop open on firing, with serious results. Far better was the Webley configuration (present on earlier British revolvers I think), reversing S&W’s arrangement by mounting the latch on the standing breech. Revolver buffs will recall that the Nr 3 variant modified by George Schofield for the Ordnance Corps bears a latch quite different from other S&W hinged frames.

With deference to devolve’s historical research, my memory of what I read tells me that on 25 June 1876 George Armstrong Custer was not carrying the latest issue revolver (Colt Single Action). He was carrying a brace of revolvers gifted to him by some notable personage: S&W Old Model 1-1/2 or Old Model 2, chambered in 32 rimfire. They were hinged frame but not auto-ejecting. The Nr 3 Schofield had not yet been taken into US Army service.

In fairness to all involved, I cannot dispel serious doubts about the 7th Cavalry Regiment’s chances, even if they had been armed with Schofields. The odds were not in their favor.

And even the most talented commander can have a bad day.


41 posted on 08/02/2014 11:37:48 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: schurmann

- PS

- That Colt 1860 Army is fitted with a “drop-in” KIRST .22 Caliber Cartridge Conversion - the cylinder has a rimfire adapter at the back and the cylinder is made in two pieces - the forward half is right behind a short 2-1/2 Inch .22rf barrel

- A .22lr cartridge will slide into the rear of the cylinder without enlarging the frame as in most conversions or the SAA - not cheap - but no black powder cleanup and smell


43 posted on 08/02/2014 1:05:28 PM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: schurmann

webpage

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- KIRST see all photographs : http://www.kirstkonverter.com/22-caliber-conversion-kits.html


44 posted on 08/02/2014 1:15:52 PM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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with a KIRST KONVERSION .22lr cartridge conversion cylinder with .22 barrel insert

this is probably a Uberti made modern replica of a Colt Model 1851 Navy revolver

UBERTI made 2nd Generation Colt Black Powder Series revolvers for Colt






46 posted on 08/02/2014 1:27:58 PM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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