[tcrlaf]

Well... Kiev isn't honoring their own self-declared MH17 "Safe-Zone". Knew that was coming....

The Crash site area is smack in the middle of the Rebel-held corridor to the Russian Border, that Kiev needs to open to save the three trapped brigades in the South Pocket.

[tcrlaf]

Tweets from Dutch BNO reporter Michael van Poppel

“heavy clashes in Torez, near MH17 site. “It appears the Ukrainian army has begun a large offensive””

“Dutch government: Team of 30 forensic experts unable to reach MH17 site due to fighting in the area. Team now in Donetsk”

https://twitter.com/mpoppel

[McGruff]

If the Israelis and Palestinians came do a ceasefire why can't these two sides. Seems like it's a mad rush to the crime scene. Wonder why? Hmm...

[Gay State Conservative]

I saw a report the other day either on the BBC or Deutche Welle (can't recall which) of very recent evidence of anti aircraft missiles being fires *from Russian territory*.

[felixandbowinkle]

KIEV? Who are the bastards who are trying to unfree a nation and are shooting down aircraft, backed by an evil man who happens to lead the evil empire?!

[tcrlaf]

Somehow, I just knew the usual suspects would have the usual comments about this.

No discussion at all of Kiev violating their own declared “Cease-fire” zone around the downed MH-17, that the media made such a big deal of, just more hate.

[mac_truck]

Kiev is doing all it can to delay & obfuscate the investigation.

No surprise here.

[Uncle Chip]

Did you miss this part:

A Ukrainian defence official said his troops were trying to clear the areas around the site near the village of Grabovo from rebels.

The rebels were the ones who shot the plane down and have for the last 10 days been keeping international officials from the shootdown site.

[free_life]

Let’s see why would it be a good thing to get the terrorists who shot down MH-17 out of crash site area...hmmmmm?

[Uncle Chip]

Here is an article that we would like Sapper to comment on:

What happened? The day Flight 17 was downed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3185603/posts

[Uncle Chip]

FTA:

But the separatists deny any involvement in the downed jet.

So are the separatists lying here or not???

Are these the same lying separatists who said that the would keep the ceasefire and allow international officials access to the shootdown site???

It appears that the only way that they will get unimpeded access to the shootdown site is when the separatists are finally driven out of Donetsk and Kiev takes control of that site.

But you know that, right???

[caww]

....”Kiev isn't honoring their own self-declared MH17 “Safe-Zone”. Knew that was coming....”

Oh yea, ...and isn't the first time. Rather like Israel telling Hamas all bets are off when they break a cease fire. The Separatists know Kiev's history of doing so. Also, because this crash did occur in that stronghold so close to Russia's border, and Kiev was loosing... there's more than one way to open an area....and I put nothing past Kiev or the Oligarchs with their army's in this layered conflict...they are of the same cloth ,brutal relentless fighters....it is in their nature.