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To: Nifster
Treaty? Ratified by Congress? No, it's not a treaty and it was reported to Congress, not ratified by them as the actual treaty it served to comfort Ukraine about. Some on various committees may have known in advance, but it was never up for ratification like a treaty would be or ratified because the treaty it relates to was.

It's a "Diplomatic Memorandum" binding under International Law but not enforceable under International law. Therefore only enforceable to the extent any of the signatories are willing to enforce it in keeping with International Law that does not see a breech of a Diplomatic Memorandum as sufficient reason to declare war. An interesting situation legally.

Secreary of State John Kerry and the Ambassador from Peru can agree in a diplomatic memorandum that Paddington Bear is cool at which time that that becomes the official US opinion of said bear, enforcable under International Law to whatever degree Peru is willing to take the US to task for officially saying somethng to the contrary.

         I saw a treaty upon the stair,
         a little treaty that wasn't there,
         it wasn't there again today,
         oh how I wish it would go away

39 posted on 07/25/2014 11:01:44 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
The Memorandum actually read ,,,those signing would
Respect” Ukraine's Sovereign borders.....not “Protect”.

At the time Ukraine refused to agree to it because it read so. They wanted absolute “military protection”, which none were willing to commit to, regardless of the demands they change the wording to reflect that. So by Ukraine signing it, as stated, they were well aware this would not necessarily mean the nations would provide Ukraine cover....and they also knew this would leave them vulnerable unless they built up their own military. Which they never did, and in fact it continued to deteriorate., as we all well learned during and after Crimea.

42 posted on 07/25/2014 11:25:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: Rashputin

Regarding Crimea .........there is a long history of Crimea trying to get it’s Independence from Ukraine:

While Crimea was officially ‘an autonomous region’ formally within Ukraine, it has its own Parliament and, up until 1995, its own President. The majority of Crimeans are Russian-speakers, ...... they have voted repeatedly for close relations with Russia throughout their history.

Crimea was unilaterally handed over to Ukraine by Nikita Khrushchev in 1954 – in a move of dubious legality – Crimea was caught between Russia and Ukraine as the old USSR collapsed.

(In 1991), the Movement for a Republic of Crimea gathered 180,000 signatures on a petition calling for a popular ‘referendum on Crimean independence’, an informal “opinion poll” was held in which the modified ‘demand for close relations with Russia’ passed overwhelmingly, and the elected Parliament adopted a resolution declaring Crimean sovereignty.

Kiev responded to this with the threat of force, and at that point the bargaining began....... The Crimeans, for their part, used the separatist threat to gain some leverage in the negotiations with Kiev:.... what they wanted – and got – was ‘control over local resources’, which were about to be “privatized” by the crooks in Kiev. and looted by various Western Ukrainian oligarchs........... The local oligarchs took exception to this, and in the end they won out:.......... Kiev basically caved and the resulting compromise kept Crimea within Ukraine, albeit ‘with full economic and political autonomy’.

The compromise, however, didn’t last long:

(in 1993), as the Ukrainian economy collapsed, the Ukrainian currency approached worthlessness, and the social fabric of what was essentially an administrative unit of the old Soviet Union rather than an actual nation came apart at the seams,....... a national movement for Crimean independence gained traction....... The presidential and parliamentary elections of (1994) gave Yuri Meshkov, a Russian nationalist, a big majority and a subsequent referendum on closer ties with Russian won nearly 80 percent of the vote.

Kiev went ballistic, and Meshkov appealed to the Russians for protection, but President Yeltsin was more interested in appeasing the West and the Crimeans were ultimately ‘left to fend for themselves’.......... The Crimean presidency was abolished by unilateral decree of the ‘Ukrainian Rada’, and troops from Western Ukraine were sent in.

That same year, Yeltsin signed a tripartite agreement with Ukraine and the US, in which the Ukrainians agreed to give up their nuclear weapons – left over from the old Soviet days widely believed to guarantee Western ‘support’ for Ukraine in the event of a threat to its arbitrarily-defined borders.

Yet the Crimean desire to be free of the Ukrainian yoke did not abate:

in (2008), the Crimean Parliament voted to recognize Abhkazia and Ossetia, two former Soviet autonomous regions that had been arbitrarily handed over to Georgia and subsequently voted to rejoin Russia........... That same year, ‘one million’ Crimeans signed a petition demanding the Russian fleet be allowed to retain its presence in Sevastopol.

In spite of threats of force, and a series of heavy-handed administrative measures, Crimean separatism has continuously bubbled just beneath the surface, ....and polls show the majority of Russian-speakers and Ukrainian-speakers favored separation....... This desire to get away was no doubt amplified a thousand-fold as a coalition of corrupt oligarchs and outright fascists with US support overthrew Viktor Yanukovich, the elected President, and the country teetered on the edge of bankruptcy and chaos.

With officials of the ultra-rightist Svoboda party – formerly the “Social National” party – in top positions in the new government in Kiev, and with the outright neo-Nazis of “Right Sector” being handed control of police and law enforcement bodies, ......Crimeans refused to recognize Kiev’s authority. .........The Crimean Parliament once again declared independence and appealed to Russia for security guarantees, ....while the head of the Ukrainian navy, which is stationed in Sevastopol, defected to the Crimean side.

http://www.wallstreetsectorselector.com/investment-articles/analyst-desk/2014/03/russia-crimea/


46 posted on 07/26/2014 12:01:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: Rashputin

You are a complete fool. Treaties between other countries do not have to be ratified by our congress


61 posted on 07/26/2014 8:16:12 AM PDT by Nifster
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