Posted on 07/21/2014 7:58:16 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
MOSCOW — The outside world knows Russian-backed militants shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, using missiles supplied by Moscow, even if few leaders are yet willing to say outright that Vladimir Putin has blood on his hands (again).
But the Russian public is happy to buy Putin’s lies.
“It’s obvious the Ukrainians did this, the separatists don’t have the weaponry or the ability to shoot down aircraft at that altitude,” a partner at a major law firm told me.
Never mind that the “separatists” had shot down at least two Ukrainian planes in the week before, or that the Ukrainians had no reason to shoot at any plane because the militants have no airpower.
Then there’s an economist at the Ministry of Finance: “The Ukrainians are fascists, of course they’re responsible.”
One university professor was a bit more honest: “You don’t understand. We’re Russians, we will never admit guilt to outsiders, especially to Americans. Even if we know we’re guilty.”
In the outside world, people know the “rebels” have done all they could to impede any impartial investigation even seizing the bodies of the 298 innocent victims, and that the missile launchers were quickly pulled back into Russia after the atrocity.
But this is a schizophrenic society. People distrust their own government, but they distrust and hate foreigners even more. Many understand that Russia is probably responsible, but they’ll never admit it; it’s not a society given to self-criticism or honesty.
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The people of Hitler’s Germany behaved in a similar fashion. Obviously, it’s not easy to accept that your own country’s leader is capable of mass murder and crimes against humanity. But Russia’s Putin provides another example of an incompetent sociopath somehow climbing to the top of the political ladder in a country.
Just as I always thunk. Russians and Liberals are birds of a feather.
He's a dangerous character for sure.
Joe, this is my opinion. Russia accepts putin’s lies in the same vain many Americans accept obama’s lies. Can’t call it hero worship but maybe it can be called man worship.
The dynamics of the propagandized populace sound so much like Obama’s solid 40 % approval with the media obfuscation buttressing the delusions. At least they have a 10-fold rise of income to celebrate and protect, so they believe. What does Obama offer compared to that, free birth control and a phone?
We don’t have much room to talk. The people living in this country fall for Obammie’s lies EVERY time.
“Why Russia buys Putin’s lies”
Well, if I were Russian, I’d sure have a tough time believing Obama...it’s hard enough to believe Obama being an American.
He's totally incompetent. He has mismanaged the Russian economy. He has mismanaged the Russian political system. He has mismanaged Russia's foreign policy. Leaving drunken incompetents in charge of weapons that can down commercial airliners is an act of grave incompetence.
And, how do you like his public relations damage control efforts in the wake of this nightmare he has created? Do you really think his idiotic lies reflect competence, some peculiar genius that just isn't being appreciated?
He's a sloppy thug.
He got away with the polonium poisoning of a prominent critic in London, what, a decade ago? That was his calling card, nobody’s going to do anything about him.
How many Odumbo murdered in Syria in an attempt to bring AQ to power?
How many innocent civilians Odumbo murdered in Pakistan allegedly chasing AQ?
Nobel prize winner, the leader of the Free world.
Well, we have some people right here on FR who buy Putin’s propaganda. Not surprising that many Russians do as well.
He didn’t much get away with it if you and I know about it. I don’t think the plan was that we were supposed to know that Putin was personally responsible.
I’d say, to the contrary.
He’s still the alpha male.
I really don't know how some people can admire Putin. It's a real mystery to me because the guy has crippled his own country during his leadership. Maybe some people get the hots because he takes off his shirt, I don't know. It's weird - that's for sure.
I have no illusions that Putin is some sort of God fearing, democracy loving moral leader... I don’t think that is a fair appraisal of the man.
I also have the same misgivings about the current leader of Ukraine. And I also hold our own president in rather low esteem.
I obviously don’t know all the facts concerning the horrific downing of the Malaysian passenger jet, but I would be shocked if it was downed on purpose. The tragedy serves no one, not Russia, not Ukraine and least of all the eastern separatists involved in civil war.
It seems most probable to me that it was shot down by the separatists using a Russian built missile system. It seems probable that Russians may have been in attendance when the horrific deed was done.
I think they thought it was a Ukrainian military jet and a legitimate target of the civil war.
I can’t imagine why the pilot of the Malaysian jetliner was traveling over a hot war zone!? Was he mad? incompetent? or simply a fool following orders? I wish I knew.
In war, terrible things happen. Terrible things happened in our war of independence and our own bloody civil war.
Many would say that outsiders should refrain from meddling or giving assistance to either side in a civil war or a war for separation and independence. Outsiders are generally involved in such wars however. In the case of the conflict raging in Ukraine both the US and Russia have meddled and supported the parties involved. The results for both have been shameful and ignominious.
I hope and pray that events do not spiral out of control for those who have foolishly involved themselves in the Ukrainian war.... We are directly involved and so is Russia.
Both nations have freely decided to inject themselves into this mess...both have unclean hands.
I hope that I am wrong but I feel we are on the precipice of a world war because of our involvement in Ukraine and Syria. I pray God is merciful and helps us find our way out this mess... a mess we are at least partially responsible for.
Given the questionable leadership we are saddled with here in the US I think it is a good time to start worrying and start praying for guidance.
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