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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“What We Know - The Separatists Had The Buk”

In their exhaustive consideration of all possibilities, the author neglects to mention that...

The Ukrainian army also had the Buk.

The allegation is that the Separatists accidentally shot down a passenger plane.

I guess it is totally inconceivable to the author that the Ukrainian army accidentally shot down a passenger plane, even though they did exactly that in 2001...


2 posted on 07/21/2014 3:34:35 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos
The Ukrainian army also had the Buk.

Two things you forget to mention:

1) That's not a secret, and the Russkies originally claimed that they stole the BuK from the Ukrainians in the first place (but that is common practice. They always claim to "capture" something from the Ukrainians before shipping it over, and these BuKs were captured in NATO satelight photos on both sides of the border, and identified as Russian weapons with Russian officers training Russian separatists.)

2) The BuKs are confirmed to be in "separatist" held towns, as seen by journalists from AP, geo-located photographs, and confirmed by the "separatists" themselves in their web postings (prior to the shooting).

3 posted on 07/21/2014 3:37:49 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Mount Athos

Mount Athos: Stop with the disinformation.

Assuming that MH17 was flying over 32,000 over Eastern Ukraine, where was it heading? Donestsk? Moscow? Anywhere in eastern Crimea?

No, it was high enough to be an international flight heading east/southeast and going out of Ukrainian air space.

This was NOT a military plane because the Ukrainian transports shot down by the pro-Soviet “insurgents” were at low altitudes, which is where military transport planes fly, not at 33,000 heading out of the country.

A little common sense and knowledge of flight plans destroys your made-in-Moscow conspiracy themes.

Also, any radar profile of the large 737 would show that it was not a transport, since the BUK is a sophisticated radar-guided system that could do that. Also the speed differences between a military transport and a civilian airliner are significant.

The shot-down was no accident. Now, whether the Soviet-aided “insurgents” (often GRU or Spetsnaz troops, hired Soviet neo-Nazis (Yes, they have been hired as Soviet mercenaries), and Russians living in the Ukraine, definitely knew that MH17 was a civilian plane is still something to be discovered.

However, the shoot-down was a coldly planned operation and given the altitude of the plane and the direction it was heading in, those who fired pretty well knew that it wasn’t a Ukrainian military plane.

Since they had shot down several Ukrainian govt helicopters, two transports and two fighter-bombers in recent weeks, the “insurgents” were on a roll so anything that flew was a target, civilian or not.

MH17 was NOT A THREAT to the pro-Russian forces! What they did was cold-blooded murder and Putin made it possible whether he gave the order or not to shoot it down.

When someone says “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?”, it doesn’t take a genius to understand the covert request/order implicit in it.

Mouth Athos: change your name to Mount Pathetic. It is more appropriate to your pro-Russian disinformation campaign.

DISINFORMATZIA! You can’t write your crap without it.


19 posted on 07/21/2014 5:52:24 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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