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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’ve considered that angle.

I’ve considered the possibility that the Russian Separatists were justified in their rebellion, and they are now legitimately in control of that area, and for the defense of their military forces had to exert air superiority, then supremacy, then even domination, and shot down the airliner even out of mistaken identity, with perhaps the MH17 not pinging proper IFF.

The stolen credit cards, fraudulent use of them, bodily mishandling of the dead, and refusal to allow others into the 9 mile debris zone simply manifests lack of disciplined legitimate authority.

They are what they appear. Fraudulent, criminal rebellious thugs.


42 posted on 07/21/2014 3:49:04 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
They are what they appear. Fraudulent, criminal rebellious thugs.

There would be little to no civil strife in the Ukraine at this point if Putin wasn't busy arming the "separatists", providing them training, heavy weapons, etc. Those that say differently were probably the same people that claimed Russia didn't have its forces in Crimea. I remember Putinista's buying into that nonsense, or at least pretending they believed it. The lie became clear to all when Russia annexed it.

This is not some home grown insurgency, it is Russian backed and financed thugs who have zero legitimacy. I am pretty sure many of the so called leaders aren't even from the Ukraine at all.

This civilian plane was almost certainly brought down by mistake as this does not help the "separatists" or Putin. Either Putin/Russian trained "separatists" or Russian operators themselves made a careless, stupid mistake believing this was a Ukrainian transport. This weapon should never have been handed to "separatists" and Putin has blood on his hands for this one. No way around it.

44 posted on 07/21/2014 4:28:39 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Cvengr

They are what they appear. Fraudulent, criminal rebellious thugs.


Somewhere between 50%-80% of the “rebels” are Russian nationals. All the top leaders are Russian nationals with documented FSB or GRU links. There is little authentically rebellious about Putin’s war in Ukraine. It is an astroturfed campaign made and managed in Moscow.


45 posted on 07/21/2014 4:31:38 PM PDT by lodi90
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