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Russian President Vladimir Putin’s brutality should not come as any surprise
heraldsun.com.au ^ | July 22, 2014 | ALAN HOWE

Posted on 07/21/2014 11:02:08 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 07/21/2014 11:02:08 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Sounds like the author is a Jihadist sympathizer, or am I wrong?


2 posted on 07/21/2014 11:08:23 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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I think the author is daft. While what Bush said sounds like he had a man crush on Putin, in reality, world leaders say that crap to be diplomatically nice. They don’t really mean it. I think Putin respected Bush and the two of them did have an effective dialog. Now that Bush is gone, Putin is taking every advantage of a lack of leadership in Washington, and why not? It’s what nations do. Particularly the Russians.

Would relations have eventually soured even with someone like Bush as President? Sure. Would we have the disaster today? No way.


3 posted on 07/21/2014 11:14:38 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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Putin sent Chechens into Georgia to rape, massacre and ethnically cleanse innocent Christian civilians. Putin is the one who is a jihad sympathizer. He supports Iran, Hizballah and HAMAS’s jihad agianst Israel and he supports Sudan's jihad against Christians.
4 posted on 07/21/2014 11:17:46 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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“Bush said he saw in Putin a man committed to his country and its best interests. But before him that day at their summit in Slovenia was a scheming psychopath and ruthless egomaniac.”

Maybe Putin “Devolved.”


5 posted on 07/21/2014 11:20:10 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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Then why does the author describe him as brutal against the Chechnyan separatists? 2 + 2 = 5?
6 posted on 07/21/2014 11:20:26 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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Are you saying that he was not brutal to them? He was nice to them? What exactly are you trying to say?

You like the genocidal mass murderingbterrorist KGB Putin? You have mancrush on him? You want to hold his hand?


7 posted on 07/21/2014 11:30:41 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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WTF is wrong with you? Someone can be a genocidal killer and still not be guilty of this shootdown. I don’t know what happened with the Malaysian airliner and neither do you. Does stating that the Nazis didn’t kill all those Poles in the Katyn Forest say that I have a “mancrush” on Adolf Hitler?


8 posted on 07/21/2014 11:36:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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Actually, I know exactly what happened with the airliner. It was shot down by stupid evil Russky savages. The whole world knows.


9 posted on 07/21/2014 11:40:09 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Link?


10 posted on 07/21/2014 11:40:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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There’s about as much chance of Putin being arrested in Australia as for me to be the next Miss Universe.


11 posted on 07/21/2014 11:40:44 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Sectarian warfare -- no dog in that hunt)
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BTW, I worked for Presidents Carter and Reagan and am VERY FAMILIAR with Soviet/Russian characteristics and how they act, so lecturing me about their latest leader is laughable, to say the least.


12 posted on 07/21/2014 11:43:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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In defense of Bush, his assessment must be taken in the context of a Russia recovering from misrule under Boris Yeltsin and the post-Communist oligarchs. Putin must have seemed like an improvement over his predecessor.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 11:47:42 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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If you don’t know what happened, it’s because you refuse to face the truth.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 11:50:21 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Cui bono?


15 posted on 07/21/2014 11:51:57 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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Russia benefits the most because now they can fool gullible morons into believing Ukraine did it to make Putin look bad.


16 posted on 07/21/2014 11:59:11 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Please enjoy our forum, but also please remember to use common courtesy when posting and refrain from posting personal attacks, profanity, vulgarity, threats, racial or religious bigotry, or any other materials offensive or otherwise inappropriate for a conservative family audience


17 posted on 07/21/2014 12:02:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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I’m sorry, did you percieve my comment as directed at you?

Are you a gullible moron?

I was only answering your question.


18 posted on 07/21/2014 12:04:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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It sure looked like it to me after your previous comments such as “You like the genocidal mass murderingbterrorist KGB Putin? You have mancrush on him? You want to hold his hand?” or did someone hack your account?


19 posted on 07/21/2014 12:11:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; 2ndDivisionVet
Maybe, you are the one who refuses to face the truth. Maybe he simply realizes that your "truth" involves a considerable number of unproven premises, which do not make as much sense to the rest of us, as they seem to make to you.

Why don't you let the dust settle, while fact gathering continues, before you try to send us all careening towards World War III?

No one, with any sense in any of the countries involved, is not saddened by this incident. If the insurgents in the Ukraine, used Russian equipment in this reckless way, that hardly proves that a hard nosed pragmatist, such as President Putin, ever intended such a self-defeating result. On the other hand, it is obvious that some people are bent on using this tragedy to stir up hatred against the Russian Government. For example, consider the British tabloid piece that was also posted here today, that suggests that Russia is still Communist. That, of course is ridiculous, as Russia, under Putin--whatever his failings--has restored the importance of the ancient heritage that the Communists suppressed.

The tragedy in the Ukraine, today, of course, is the result of the Communist era, where Stalin deliberately injected large numbers of ethnic Russians into the Ukraine, as well as the Baltic States, to undermine the capacity of the populations to resist Communist rule. There is no easy solution to this situation, and what is called for is a cool-headed dialogue between the various factions. Pouring oil on the fire--as was done, whether intentionally or not, in the shooting down of the passenger jet--is certainly very far from being constructive. But neither are your over-reaching tirades.

William Flax

20 posted on 07/21/2014 12:16:57 PM PDT by Ohioan
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